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The 40+ Demos For Vienna Instruments Are Not Flattering
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Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 07:28
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, USA, Posts 2058
Sorry to be so negative after not having posted here for ages ... but I have to tell you that that the demos created sound:
insensitive,
plain,
synthetic,
incorrectly mixed,
and
inconsistent with natural playing tendancies.

Everything else is fine. Generally they are hard to listen to ... make one feel uneasy. They don't feel conducted as much as they feel constructed.

This report in no way voices my opinion of the actual Vienna Instruments themselves, which I think are fantastic, revolutionary, and well worth the wait.

I hope this post finds it's way to those who can make a difference, as I do believe these demos are doing a disservice to the growth of VSL.

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 07:40
by Dar32
Joined on Fri, May 20 2005, USA, Posts 373
First thought is that, then one listens closer and compares to a real player and finds the new player out plays a real human for energy and stamina and feel, therefore out plays a real human with the in between bars of synth sounding that needs to be EQed by automation. Requires more automated mixing, more work, so whats new ?

Thats just my opinion. Not trying to stick up for anyone.
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 07:42
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9050
welcome back in VSL-town, evan ...
Quote:
Everything else is fine
uhhhm, great than ... Stick out tongue
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 07:47
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, USA, Posts 2058
well, yeah. Sorry cm about the I guess negativity of the post. I don't want to sound negative. I just want the best for VSL. I'm tired and it's late, so I'm sure I wasn't very diplomatic. But thanks for the welcome back.

I'll catch up with you soon. Been very busy with things, otherwise I'd be hanging out on the boards ... you know it!

Wink

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 07:49
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, USA, Posts 2058
R.K. wrote:
First thought is that, then one listens closer and compares to a real player and finds the new player out plays a real human for energy and stamina and feel, therefore out plays a real human with the in between bars of synth sounding that needs to be EQed by automation. Requires more automated mixing, more work, so whats new ?

Thats just my opinion. Not trying to stick up for anyone.
yeah that's cool RK. I am an excellent producer/conductor and also could tweak these to sound better. There are many suggestions that could help. Maybe it's too late though, it would seem so.

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 17:26
by mike harper
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, Atlanta, Ga USA, Posts 219
evanevans wrote:
Sorry to be so negative after not having posted here for ages ... but I have to tell you that that the demos created sound:
insensitive,
plain,
synthetic,
incorrectly mixed,
and
inconsistent with natural playing tendancies.

Everything else is fine. Generally they are hard to listen to ... make one feel uneasy. They don't feel conducted as much as they feel constructed.

This report in no way voices my opinion of the actual Vienna Instruments themselves, which I think are fantastic, revolutionary, and well worth the wait.

I hope this post finds it's way to those who can make a difference, as I do believe these demos are doing a disservice to the growth of VSL.

Evan Evans


Confused: Confused: I was just listening to the strings and was very pleased. must be
some mud in my ears from the mudslides here on the east coast!
Regards
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 17:52
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508
Maybe your just as excellent a producer/conductor as Evan? Confused
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 19:11
by dfhage
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, London, UK, Posts 94
What does "falttering" mean, I am unfamiliar with this musical term, is it English?

Dave Hage
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 19:44
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
dfhage wrote:
What does "falttering" mean, I am unfamiliar with this musical term, is it English?

Dave Hage

I think that Evan was just tripping over his fingers in the rush to criticise. I am also an excellent Producer and Conductor, much more excellenter than Evan, and I think that some of the demos sound very good Confused

DG
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Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 19:59
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9050
popcorn, chips, coca cola anyone? Stick out tongue
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 20:02
by Nigel Watson
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, Cologne, Germany, Posts 365
? who's the excellentest producerconductor with the mostest excellentness here? .....probably all of us are smarter than the average bear Confused [Wink]

yeah, evan's back....now I know why it seemed so QUIET lately

Love you guys Cool

Nigel
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 20:04
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Nigel Watson wrote:
? who's the excellentest producerconductor with the mostest excellentness here? .....probably all of us are smarter than the average bear Confused [Wink]

yeah, evan's back....now I know why it seemed so QUIET lately

Love you guys Cool

Nigel

And the bestest, mostest modestest, with the smallest ego....?

DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 20:07
by KubeImage
Joined on Thu, Nov 04 2004, Posts 39
yeah that's cool RK. I am an excellent producer/conductor and also could tweak these to sound better. There are many suggestions that could help. Maybe it's too late though, it would seem so.

Evan Evans



Wow.. just.. wow.
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 20:52
by dfhage
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, London, UK, Posts 94
Personally speaking I am by far the best music copyist in my street Big Smile and I had to have the doors widened in my house just to get my head through!

Dave Hage

PS Rule number is, don't take anybody seriously who quotes themselves.
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 20:55
by Duncan S.
Joined on Fri, Oct 28 2005, Montreal, Quebec, Posts 19
cm wrote:
popcorn, chips, coca cola anyone? Stick out tongue


Yeah, I'll take some of that. What's the VIP discount for it? [Wink]
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 21:16
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9050
Duncan S. wrote:
cm wrote:
popcorn, chips, coca cola anyone? [Stick out tongue]

Yeah, I'll take some of that. What's the VIP discount for it? [Wink]

no VIP price, no discount - it's an initial release [Stick out tongue]
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 21:29
by Chinablu
Joined on Tue, Jul 19 2005, Milano, Italy, Posts 147
I'm an excellent, absolutely the best door ring player in southern Europe.

Anyone interested?

knock-knock...

Devil
Posted on Sun, Mar 19 2006 22:26
by Laurent
Joined on Thu, Sep 05 2002, Paris, Posts 337
evanevans wrote:
yeah that's cool RK. I am an excellent producer/conductor and also could tweak these to sound better. There are many suggestions that could help. Maybe it's too late though, it would seem so.

Evan Evans

Fortunatly it's too late and it's so better like that

Laurent Levesque
Posted on Mon, Mar 20 2006 05:05
by Nigel Watson
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, Cologne, Germany, Posts 365
cm wrote:
Duncan S. wrote:
cm wrote:
popcorn, chips, coca cola anyone? [Stick out tongue]

Yeah, I'll take some of that. What's the VIP discount for it? [Wink]

no VIP price, no discount - it's an initial release [Stick out tongue]


Yeah right...the poor Users are stuck with unpaid beta-testing again Devil

Nigel
Posted on Mon, Mar 20 2006 05:06
by Nigel Watson
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, Cologne, Germany, Posts 365
Chinablu wrote:
I'm an excellent, absolutely the best door ring player in southern Europe.

Anyone interested?

knock-knock...

Devil


who's there?

N
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