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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 17:15
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622
I'm happy that we finally can announce our first Special Brass demos.

Carmen - Chanson du Toreador by Georges Bizet
expertly performed by Jay Bacal offers a lyrical solo of the cornet.
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5043


Sinfonietta (1st mov) by Leos Janacek
another great performance by Jay Bacal featuring the trumpet ensemble,
cornet, alto trombone and euphonium.
The original orchestration is for 9 trumpets, 2 euphoniums, and 2 basstrumpets.
The alto trombone is substituting the 2nd bass trumpet.
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5044


Royal Brass Festival
a great original composition by Beat Kaufmann
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5045


Beat's Articulation Demos featuring all special brass instruments,
you can hear these articulations (in this order):
-stac
-portato short
-portato med
-sus
-dyn me 1,5s dim
-dyn-me 3s cresc
-fp
-sffz
-sfz
-pfp 4s
-perf leg (level 1)
-perf marcato
-perf marcato fa
-perf leg (level 2)
-perf rep
-perf rep portato
-perf rep staccato
-perf trill

http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5046
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5047
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5048
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5049

Finally Beat sent us also a small snippet of Star Wars:
http://vsl.co.at/data/Sounds/MP3/VI_DEMOS/13_Special_Brass/BK_Starwars_Snippet.mp3
http://vsl.co.at/data/Sounds/MP3/VI_DEMOS/13_Special_Brass/BK_Starwars_Snippet.zip

Beat is also working on the Triumph March of Aida which should be ready end of this week.

thanks a lot Beat and Jay!
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 17:45
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1660
I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?


Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's


Rob
what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 17:45
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484
I'd like to hear a full mock up of the main trumpet theme from Jurassic park. it's like 16 bars.
Matt Gates
www.SymphonicUproar.com
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 18:08
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1804
Rob Elliott wrote:
I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?
Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's
Rob

Hello Rob
Thanks for listening to my demos.
The name "Stereo Enhancer" is a bit misleading in my case of using this effect... I always take this tool for making the audio signals from stereo to more mono.

Beat
www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 18:20
by sevaels
Joined on Wed, Jul 09 2003, Posts 7
Sincere apologies.

I totally missed the Star Wars demos!

Amazing!

Carry on...

Sevaels Big Smile
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 18:29
by DKW
Joined on Tue, Apr 04 2006, Posts 69
That MUST be the Coronet featured in the solo passages, because it sounds SO SWEET!!
DKW
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 18:45
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1660
Beat Kaufmann wrote:
Rob Elliott wrote:
I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?
Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's
Rob

Hello Rob
Thanks for listening to my demos.
The name "Stereo Enhancer" is a bit misleading in my case of using this effect... I always take this tool for making the audio signals from stereo to more mono.

Beat


Ahhh!! got ya - yes a very critical thing to do - collaspe the the stereo field.


Rob
what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 19:42
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 770
I'm officially excited.

what's the range of the cornet and the euphonium please - in concert pitch
David Carter https://sorabjiorchestralmusic.wordpress.com/
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 19:55
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 770
that performance trill sounds remarkably like a fluttertongue Cool

Any chance of really hearing the Euphonium sing - The Swan would be ideal - pretty please.

It'll be a couple of weeks before I can get mine.

And then I can work on a virtual performance of my arrangemet of the entire nutcracker suite for tuba/euph quartet. You'll be so pleased Big Smile
David Carter https://sorabjiorchestralmusic.wordpress.com/
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 20:52
by Jack Weaver
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Tucson, AZ, Posts 391
Thanks for all the good work, fellas!

And thanks to the VSL team. That cornet is stunning.
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 21:48
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1804
herb wrote:
...
Carmen - Chanson du Toreador by Georges Bizet
expertly performed by Jay Bacal offers a lyrical solo of the cornet...


By the way > The good old First Edition > November 2003 > My class (Children aged 10) sings together with VSL ... Torreador/Valencia > Have fun (beside the Special Brass Edition)

Beat Kaufmann
www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
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Posted on Wed, Jun 13 2007 22:37
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1660
Hey guys, I am still on the fence on this one. I really need to have enough BITE in the new trpts. Is that possible with the perf rep - stacc patches?


This is a quick improvised example i just played into the daw of what my current 3-trpts in Vienna will do (have a little horn and bones as well) - but you will get the idea - will this new 6- trpts do something this fast WITH bite?

(sorry for the flubs - just horsing around)


http://www.robelliottmusic.com/mp3s/Action%20-%20Epic/trpts%20demo.mp3


Rob
what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 00:02
by sevaels
Joined on Wed, Jul 09 2003, Posts 7
I'd love to know the same thing.

[Wink]
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 01:23
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1804
Rob Elliott wrote:
... Is that possible with the perf rep - stacc patches?

Rob

Hello Rob
Listen to the articulation-demo of the 6 trumpets >
2nd half > There are some fast repetitions and
runs with "perf trill". The 6 are as agil and fast as the 3 trumpets:
http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5049

Beat
www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 08:14
by sasha
Joined on Sun, Mar 25 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 59
These demos sound great.

But does anyone have a demo featuring [three trumpets] from the cube, so we can compare?

I looked in brass I demos ant there are only solo instruments.

Thanks.

sasha
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 09:07
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1804
sasha wrote:
These demos sound great.
But does anyone have a demo featuring [three trumpets] from the cube, so we can compare?
I looked in brass I demos ant there are only solo instruments.
Thanks.
sasha

Hello
Pro Edition Brass Demos > Group Trumpets > 2 Demos
http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3959/3757.vsl

Beat
www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 16:42
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1998
The cornet sounds wonderful in the high register, it also sounds less forceful than a trumpet and I'm wondering if it's any easier to play in that register than the trumpet? Certainly sounds like it, but I'm wondering if anybody would know that?
http://www.guybacos.com/
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 16:59
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 770
Guy wrote:
The cornet sounds wonderful in the high register, it also sounds less forceful than a trumpet and I'm wondering if it's any easier to play in that register than the trumpet? Certainly sounds like it, but I'm wondering if anybody would know that?


If anything the cornet is more difficult to play in the very upper register although all good players should be able to play in the VSL range reasonably well.

Trumpet players are probably expected to play higher.

In the UK, and many european and antipodean countries the cornet is primarily used in Brass bands of whichthe line up is

1 soprano cornet in Eb
9 cornets in Bb
1 flugel horn in Bb
3 tenor horns in Eb (basically a baby tuba octave higher)
2 baritone horns in Bb (same as euphonium but narrower bore)
3 tenor trombones in Bb
1 Bass Trombone
2 Euphoniums in Bb
2 EEb basses (tubas)
2 BBb Basses (contrabass tubas)

The cornet rarely features in the orchestra. I can think of several Berlioz scores which require 2 trumpets and 2 cornets.

It does have a less strident sweeter sound than the trumpet and in the rght hands is very beautiful.

Check the World of Brass website and listen to some sound samples.

http://www.worldofbrass.eu/index-2.php
David Carter https://sorabjiorchestralmusic.wordpress.com/
https://www.youtube.com/...UCoEithAEjsd4IBViwsfQFwQ

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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 17:35
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1998
Very helpful information. Thanks!

But my point was that the cornet seems to have some interesting qualities especially in the high register, the legato in that register is more effective than the trumpet for example, so this gave me an impression that it wasn't as forceful as the trumpet but I guess it is just sounds easier and smoother to the listener.
http://www.guybacos.com/
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Posted on Thu, Jun 14 2007 19:34
by Sam
Joined on Fri, Jul 07 2006, France, Posts 27
Thank you for the Special Brass demo - Those 6 trumpets are good but it seems that they sound close to the 3trumpets, contrary to the Epic Horns----> 4 Horns
I need to test it by myself Smile

vibrato wrote:
I agree with Matt. I think a demo of Journey to the Island cue from Jurassic Park would make an excellent demo for the power trumpets.

Tanuj


http://ns31472.ovh.net/~saintsei/perso/samy/Jurassic.mp3

This is a "light" version that I have made quickly with the 3-trpts - I am waiting for the 6-trpts to do more
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