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Posted on Tue, Jan 15 2008 23:08
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196

 Great topic!

So here goes my wishlist:

1. The Strings made Complete (Solo, Chamber, Orch & AP). And I mean
all the things that are still obviously missing, either in this family or that.

2. A full collection of contemporary techniques & expressions for every instrument, aimed at soundtracks and modern composition in general.

3. Various "Lyrical Sustains" for most (all?) of the solo instruments.
Most sustains are rather "clean" which is good in many cases, but uninspiring in other.

That's about all I can think of now.

Cheers,

Alex 


Posted on Wed, Jan 16 2008 22:25
by sonicether_29951
Joined on Wed, Aug 15 2007, Posts 25

My only real request for articulations would be flautando/non-vibrato legato strings. Sure, vibrato is great, but I'm really craving that silky-flat tone that is achieved with a non-vibrato string section!

Posted on Wed, Jan 16 2008 23:22
by Nick K-B
Joined on Thu, Jul 22 2004, Oxford, UK, Posts 48

I would love to hear more jazz and big band articulations in the clarinet, trombone and any others lacking such things - for example falls at the end of the note which I have only discovered in the Trumpet a3 (though there may be more I've missed). These provided in single instruments and ensembles would be very cool.

Also, an 'A Clarinet' which just has that extra depth of tone, and is used so regularly in the orchestra. We clarinettists have pairs, not singles!

For that extra sense of realism, a full set of sneezes, coughs, splutters, watch bleeps, whispers and wrapper rustlings would be really cool - then you might try and pass off recordings as live! 

Nick 

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Posted on Thu, Jan 17 2008 00:29
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
Nick K-B wrote:

For that extra sense of realism, a full set of sneezes, coughs, splutters, watch bleeps, whispers and wrapper rustlings would be really cool - then you might try and pass off recordings as live! 

Yes, add some booing to that and it would really evoke a live performance of one of my compositions.
Posted on Thu, Jan 17 2008 19:32
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995
I don't know if this has been mentioned, this thread id getting too long to read it all, but I'd like to have solo con sordino violin, sometimes it's nice to be able to use that expressive vibrato doubling the ensemble con sordino.

I think this thread should of been called "herb's shopping list"

I noticed nobody made mention of bagpipes! Where are the bagpipe lovers?
Posted on Thu, Jan 17 2008 21:38
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1763

Guy wrote:
...Where are the bagpipe lovers?
 

Here is one Embarrassed

Beat 

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Posted on Thu, Jan 17 2008 22:42
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
100% agreement on the desk sampling of violins, full articulations for Appassionata vlns and Bagpipes! (no kidding on bagpipes - one of the great instruments in the universe - I'm Irish and any Scottsman will tell you we invented them.)
Dave Connor
Posted on Thu, Jan 17 2008 23:34
by mplaster
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, phoenix | az | usa, Posts 217
  • Washboard
  • Jug
  • Jew's Harp

 in fact, anything instrument the Darlings played on "The Andy Griffith Show"

And throw in a Kazoo for good measure.

Also, those party favor "Blowout" things:

Imagine the glorius sound of a Sforzandissimo Con Sordino Blowout Party Favor (in E flat)

Ahhhh. ..  

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Posted on Fri, Jan 18 2008 13:19
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508

More than anything I would like 2-3 extra layers for the Legato: pp, mf and fff. But in general more dynamic layers would be great.

As DG said more punctuated and fast staccatos for winds.. I know there are some in the Repetitions BUT you have the same problem as above - too few layers. fff layers I often find I miss.

Ethnic Instruments surely - and I would love a bagpipe ;)

And a second Violin would also be lovely.

Posted on Fri, Jan 18 2008 18:59
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1657

One more vote for more vel layer - especially on the strings.   With velxfading and some controller (pedal, breath, ESPSmile, etc.   this would really help us 'express more..) 

Of course always open to a patch that is 'instant killer theme'.   I'd pay big bucks for that one.Yes

Rob 

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Posted on Sat, Jan 19 2008 19:12
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956
Guy wrote:
but I'd like to have solo con sordino violin, sometimes it's nice to be able to use that expressive vibrato doubling the ensemble con sordino.

Thats it!!!

I desperatly wait for that since years!!

Alex wrote:
2. A full collection of

I second that. Thats a field VSL really might excel and inspire the users.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Sat, Jan 19 2008 20:16
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1159
oooh, I hope VSL is listening! Lots of requests for contemporary/extended techniques... Nice!

I'd also like the con sord violin solo. Rihm opens his Jagden Und Formen with a fairly aggressive violin duet, played con sord, and it has the most unusual effect. We're accustomed to muted strings being rather subdued, but this aggressive writing for muted solo strings works really well - a strange masking of the colour which is hard to place, on first listening. Cool. Of course, we have to keep in mind that sampling something as general as con sord requires sampling _all_ of the various articulations again, with the mute on... Loads of work...

On the other hand, sampling of certain extended techniques would just be a matter of covering the various dynamic levels - not a huge job at all!
So come on guys, let's see it as a downloadable product. It's a perfect opportunity for downloadable "add-ons" to some of the major libraries. Since they may not be _huge_ sellers, this would save some cost on packaging and distribution...


J.
Posted on Sun, Jan 20 2008 12:33
by mirabile
Joined on Tue, Sep 03 2002, Melbourne, Posts 185
The articulations I am most interested in are as follows:

1. Con sordino solo and chamber strings.
2. More dynamic layers for legatos, sustains and dynamics.
3. 2 French Horns in unison.
4. Clarinet in A.
5. 2nd Bassoon.
6 Trumpet in Bb.
7. 2nd solo violin, viola and cello.
8 2 Violins, Violas, and 2 cellos in unison.

Regards

Mirabile
Posted on Sun, Jan 20 2008 23:03
by PolarBear
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Germany, Posts 1206

Hmm... the 2 French Horns in unison is an interesting comment! I'm with you here... now with 2nd Bassoon, A-Clarinet and Bb-Trumpet that makes the list quite long and hard to set in proper order ;) Therefore I'll adjust my suggestion to this, taking the others into account:

1. Choir

2. MIR impulses

3. Single desk Violins (2 in unison)

4. 2nd Solo Violin (with different timbre)

5. 2 French Horns (in unison, also with different mutes perhaps) 

6. Single desk Violas and Celli (2 in unison)

7. More legato layers 

8. 2nd Bassoon 

9. Clarinet in A 

10. Con sordino Solo and Chamber Strings and also where missing in the above

11. Epic Trumpets

12. Bb Trumpet 

13. 4 French Horns (in unison)

14. 2nd Solo Viola and Cello

Wow, that's quite a list already! I guess the order has to be changed slightly so that this will hopefully not end up in a shopping nightmare ;)

All the best,
PolarBear

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Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 09:34
by mirabile
Joined on Tue, Sep 03 2002, Melbourne, Posts 185

Polar Bear

4 French Horns in Unison are already available in the Brass I package of the cube or Special edition.

I am also after a set of deep bells.  That is a set between C2 and C4.  I have not seen these available in any sampled library.

Regards

Mirabile

Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 11:59
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371

I wouldn't mind seeing the 6 trumpets split into 2's. And the 8 or 4 horns split into 2's. I would like the trumpets to be all Bb's.
Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 12:12
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196

PaulR wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the 6 trumpets split into 2's. And the 8 or 4 horns split into 2's.
 

I totally second Horns and Trumpets in pairs of 2. That would be very, véry useful.

Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 13:06
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Next year's wish

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We'll be ready to sing this:

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The Twelve Days of Christmas

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On the first day of Christmas my true love came to me......

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4 french horns, 3 second violins, 2 solo muted violin( and the rest) and a partridge in a pear tree.
Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 15:03
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec, Canada, Posts 286
Guy,

Really nice...

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Posted on Tue, Jan 22 2008 17:54
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5710

Yes that is excellent Guy - my verse would go:

...two player desks, 2nd violin, more string mutes,  and a tam-tam with a big roll. Gift

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