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  • Note to note transitions exposed using Appassionata Strings. Why?

    K
    K

    Dear All,

    I‘m having problems using Vienna Instruments Appassionata Strings to create some basic string beds.  So far, my stuff calls for Violins 1, Violas and celli.  I’m using the perf legato speed matrix for each section.  There’s nothing faster than an eighth note at Q=100.  There are no melodies in the parts.  I find that many, but not all, of my note to note transitions are exposed and I don’t understand why. 

                I’m trying to make sure that my velocities are somewhat uniform.  There’s no aftertouch in my performances.  I realize that the long notes should breathe dynamically because that’s what a live section and conductor would do.  However, I’m most interested in smoothing the transitions from one note to the next. 

                I use Sonar 7 PE.  If anyone would be willing to look at my MIDI file or give me some basic suggestions that might help, I’m doing this for an album and crunch time is upon me.

                Also, isn’t it possible to save controller assignments in the V I interface so that you don’t have to relearn them in MIDI learn for each project?  I’ve assigned faders to attack and release in the interface and thought I’d saved that as some kind of file but can’t remember where or how. 

     

    Thanks in advance,

    Kevin

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    Hi,

    I also use Sonar (6, haven't yet upgraded as money went on the Appasionata Strings!).

    I've just finished doing the music for a film using the new strings and haven't had the problems you describe.

    If you email the midi file to....

    alistairlockATukonlineDOTcoDOTuk I'll have a look/listen to it [:)]

    Regards,

    Alistair
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    Hi Kevin. You have to overlap* notes when you're using VSL legato (and portamento) patches or else the legato transitions won't happen. (The VI "sees" the overlap and selects the correct legato sample.) Don't pick up your fingers between each note and you'll hear the proper effect. After you've recorded a legato line, look at the notes in your sequencers' graphic editor and make sure each one overlaps with its predecessor.

    (* Or at least make sure the gap between them is no longer than 50 milliseconds!)
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    I also set 'release' to about 60 or so rather than the default 50.
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    on slower passages I actually like the std sus patches - toying around with the release (smoother transitions on slower lines)

    Rob 
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    Thaks for all the help. I did realie that the notes had to be conncted for legato to work. Unfortunatey, I din't accont for the velocities and thei various differences.  Maiing them uniform has beena gret help.  I will probbly be back with more questions later. 

        To Alister, doyou kno how to fill in durations s hat you get an exact quarternote etc when you want one 

    Thanks,

    Kein
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    K

    Rob,

        I'd like to reply to two posts in one.  First what are the  Std patches? 

         Also to the person who mentioned changing the release to 60ms from 50, is that controlled by the release slider in the perform page?  If so, is there a MIDI value that corresponds to 60ms if 64=50ms?  That last relationship is a guess. 

    Thanks,

    Kevin
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     Just the stand 'sus' patch.

    As far as release time - this is cue to cue specific - just play with the slider per the material and you'll find the right point.[:)]

    Hope that helps

    Rob 
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    I too often use standard long patch with longer release sequencing slow legato passages. Even though it's not a true legato connection but it's whatever works, right?

    Has anyone noticed that Appassionata's 4 velocity legato patch, available in extended library, sounds less natural then 2 velocity patch in standard?

    The transitions are very smouth in 4 layer legato patch, but sonically it sounds like there is more than one layer playing at the same time. It does sound bigger, but some subtle details of the strings are lost. If you have an access to those two patches you can compare, would be interesting to hear your opinions. 

    sasha
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    @sasha said:

    Has anyone noticed that Appassionata's 4 velocity legato patch, available in extended library, sounds less natural then 2 velocity patch in standard?

    Actually, Sasha, I have noticed that I tend to go straight to the 2 layer patch for most natural playing. But the 4 layer patch gives me more control while sequencing, simply because of the two extra layers. But, yeah, the 2 layer patch sounds, or rather plays better in real time to me.

    Mahlon
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     I barely use the 4 vel patch.   Just can't get it to sound as natural as 2 layer.  Always thought that was strange.

    Rob 
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    The ADSR envelope can be edited to affect either a single articulaion, or the attack and release of the instance of the plug-in can be altered. These values are just 1-100 - or is it 127? I generally increase the release of all patches just a bit. Personal preference. I remember comparing the samples from Vienna Instruments and the Pro Edition Giga version when i upgraded and noting that the release times were fractionally longer when using the Gigastudio sampler. Or maybe I was drinking at the time.