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    hi. I own, the Vienna SE standard, extended, & standard plus libraries. Can anyone tell me how to perform a phrase having a bow direction change on every note. I want the bow direction change to be noticable, especially when using a solo string instrument, and when playing the same note more than once. I heard this in an audio demo called Reverie - Bass & Piano by Giovanni Bottesini, in the solo strings section. I am well aware that those demos are made by the full Vienna libraries and unlike the SE, they contain a massive amount of articulations. I was just wondering if there is some way to do that with the SE, or perhaps the standard plus. thanks

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    Actually players aim to not make bow directions audible at all in reality. With Solo Strings you get the bow changes in the sustain samplesif you hold the key long enough (try a espressivo patch for instance if that's contained in SE). The other way to make a bow change audible is to simply retrigger the sustain or use alternate samples (switiching between espr and sus e.g.).

    With ensembles you will never get all players to change their bow at the same time in reality, unless you force them to by writing a new note, so the same technique as above described will apply.

    All the best,

    PolarBear 
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     I'm not sure, but think he wants to make bow direction changes between the notes, not while playing long notes. Am I right, hose? I have the SE standard, but I haven't found any way to do this. I'm new to VSL though.
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    In that case you simply have to retrigger the note as I already described, as there are no up- or down-bow samples in any VSL product, they decided the sonic difference is too little and really not audible with good players when they recorded.

    PolarBear 
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    @hose said:

    Can anyone tell me how to perform a phrase having a bow direction change on every note. I want the bow direction change to be noticable, especially when using a solo string instrument, and when playing the same note more than once. ...

     

    Hello Hose

    Normally you've two possibilities with stac-, portato short-, portato long- and (but I'm not quite sure) with sustain- articulations.

    In case of the strings you can say "up-/down-bow". Whether it is really up and down or not, this is the secret of the silent stage.

    Example:   

    You only can get stac1 and stac2 by forcing a second note of the same articulation. You get the second possibility automatically with all repeated notes within a timeframe of 2-3s. It doesn´t depend on whether you repeat the same note in that timeframe (G-G-G) or whether there is a different note inbetween (G-D-G).

    If the second "G" is triggered within the next 2-3 seconds, you will still trigger a different recorded version of the same note, no matter if there were other notes played inbetween.

    Remark:

    This answer is combination of one of Paul (VSL) and one of me (13the October 07)


    http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/16970/121736.aspx#121736

    (You have to scroll up. I wasn't able to mange it that you end up just at the right place)  

    All the best 

    Beat Kaufmann

      

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Can't you force VI to play the pattern into something like stac1 stac1 stac2 if the third note is within that 2 or 3 seconds?

    PolarBear 
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    @PolarBear said:

    Can't you force VI to play the pattern into something like stac1 stac1 stac2 if the third note is within that 2 or 3 seconds?

    PolarBear 

    Hi PolarBear

    - Turn the VI.

    - Open the cover.

    - Remove the mainboard.

    - Now you will see a mini switch "stac1/stac2".

    - Turn it from "auto" to "key-selected". [6]  ...

    Unfortunately it isn't in our power to force that. [:(]

    We had (have) this advantage with the "good old ProEdition- and Horizon- Libraries". [:)]

    Nevertheless...

    Have a nice weekend.[;)]

    Beat 

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    @PolarBear said:

    Can't you force VI to play the pattern into something like stac1 stac1 stac2 if the third note is within that 2 or 3 seconds?

    PolarBear 

    Hi PolarBear

    - Turn the VI.

    - Open the cover.

    - Remove the mainboard.

    - Now you will see a mini switch "stac1/stac2".

    - Turn it from "auto" to "key-selected".   ...

    Unfortunately it isn't in our power to force that. 

    We had (have) this advantage with the "good old ProEdition- and Horizon- Libraries".

    Nevertheless...

    Have a nice weekend.

    Beat 

    Much as I really like the VI player, this is one of the failings. We also can't choose which of the repetition notes to use, which causes problems, as the editing is not uniform between all notes of the same pitch.

    DG
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    Nice to find out another advantage of my ancient sample library product... haha! One would think they'd not restrict this kind of things and allow to do some fancy matrix programming or whatelse for it to happen (I obviously just have seen the VI interface).

    PolarBear 

    PS: Come to think of it - perhaps it could be possible? With a hidden, inaudible volume 0 note being triggered in between which forces the pattern to go a step further... Evil, evil [6]