hi,
as you might have guessed, i´m thinking about using a euphonix mc control to control vienna instruments.
does anybody out there have information on if and how this could work?
i´m running logic 8 on a mac g5 quad.
thanks for any help.
c
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Euphonix MC Control as a controller for VI?
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Do you mean the MC Mix, MC Control or MC Pro?
Assuming that Logic will allow you to send MIDI Controllers from the MC's surface, then you'll be fine. In Nuendo at least it doesn't, so I do all my VI controllers from the sliders on my master keyboard.
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Assuming that Logic will allow you to send MIDI Controllers from the MC's surface, then you'll be fine. In Nuendo at least it doesn't, so I do all my VI controllers from the sliders on my master keyboard
I have no idea wether Logic will allow it or not, that´s why I´m asking. How is it in Nuendo, can´t you "user-assign" the MC Control to any control you wish?
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I use a Yamaha YUS5 Piano and a Novation X-Station sitting next to the QWERTZ. Is that important?@Errikos said:
Assuming you're working with Logic, which master keyboard do you use?
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Assuming that Logic will allow you to send MIDI Controllers from the MC's surface, then you'll be fine. In Nuendo at least it doesn't, so I do all my VI controllers from the sliders on my master keyboard
I have no idea wether Logic will allow it or not, that´s why I´m asking. How is it in Nuendo, can´t you "user-assign" the MC Control to any control you wish?Just wanted to double check as I have come across a few people who have got confused between them. I'm afraid I have no experience of either the Control or EuCon running under Logic - I run an MC Pro with Nuendo on a PC. Yes you can assign almost anything to the buttons, but the faders and knobs on the Pro have very specific uses - it's not really designed as a surface to be used for MIDI control, more to control the DAW itself. May be worth asking Euphonix if it can be done... or Apple.
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So how do you control your VI? I get sick with those crappy plastic 60mm-"faders" on most masterkeyboards.@RedLeicester said:
Just wanted to double check as I have come across a few people who have got confused between them. I'm afraid I have no experience of either the Control or EuCon running under Logic - I run an MC Pro with Nuendo on a PC. Yes you can assign almost anything to the buttons, but the faders and knobs on the Pro have very specific uses - it's not really designed as a surface to be used for MIDI control, more to control the DAW itself. May be worth asking Euphonix if it can be done... or Apple.
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What do mean by "control vienna instruments"? Do you mean automation info, faders, etc? Or for tweeking the VI interface?
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What do mean by "control vienna instruments"? Do you mean automation info, faders, etc? Or for tweeking the VI interface?
Heaven, I´m fine with the Vi-Interface and not going to tweek it, thank you very much! 😊 I mean switching matrices, controlling velocity x-fade, expression etc.
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What colour of socks do you wear? Sorry, just joking.[;)] The VI responds to MIDI data (note on / off, CC messages, program change, pitch bend) so I guess for this to work Logic would have to map the incoming messages from the Euphonics controller to those specific MIDI parameters. The 'Control Surface Support' in the Logic 7 manual suggests this may be feasible, but it appeared to be complicated and is beyond my experience. If I were you I'd read the Logic 8 manual and see whether that throws any light on it - if not, probably best to ask about control surfaces on a Logic forum.
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The 'Control Surface Support' in the Logic 7 manual suggests this may be feasible, but it appeared to be complicated and is beyond my experience.
Yep, the same appears to me. In addition to "only" using the faders, it would be marvellous to have VI´s matrix cells on the touch screen. I think I´ll try to get a MC Control to test it and let you know if it works or not, in case you´re interested. I´ll change my socks then.
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Hi All
I have an MC Control - switched from using my Mackie Control Unit and love it. If you're interested you can see it here. However a couple of things to note
1. The MC Control - even with the latest s/w which allows you to programme those "soft keys" isn't really designed to send MIDI data, which of course VE and VI respond to - it might be possible to do something with macros, but I've not bothered to try and find out (I'm using Logic 8 btw).
2. One "Issue" with the MC (which was also there in the MCU too) is that if you're using a multi-timbral instrument (i.e. VE3) then the Control will only show you the instrument as a single track - i.e. you can't select individual instrument channels (i.e. I have 16 instruments in a single VE3 instance) to change volume/pan etc also you can't even use the control to select individual channels to record/solo/mute etc - this is a real pain and something I've asked Euphonix about but heard nothing.
3. Whilst I've had no faults with the control - my experience with Euphonix support is abysmal. I have logged two cases for my issue above and heard nothing back other than a single automatic email saying thanks for contacting us we'll be in touch soon blah blah blah.
The best thing to do is probably use a MIDI controller for automating VE/VI - I often use the drum pads on my AXIOM 25 to trigger keywsitched cells in the matrix - and this works great. My default template has the first 8 keyswitches all the same, e.g. stac, detache, detache long, sustained, tremolo etc for each instrument so I can simply label each drum pad accordingly and it works no matter if I'm using violin, cello, trumpet etc (although no detaches for that of course!)
Regards
Tim
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Thanks, Tim. What about using MC Control´s Faders for controlling velocity x-fade and expression on VI? I´d love to have motorized faders for that.@timkiel said:
1. The MC Control - even with the latest s/w which allows you to programme those "soft keys" isn't really designed to send MIDI data, which of course VE and VI respond to - it might be possible to do something with macros, but I've not bothered to try and find out (I'm using Logic 8 btw).
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I´ve been thinking about this one too - fashionable little gadget. How does it work - can you build your own graphics on it, e.g. rebuild the vi interface or say parts of it? And maybe I´m conservative, but how is the feel of the "faders"?@ddunn said:
I'm using a Lemur (Jazzmutant) touch screen interface to control VSL. I'm using a 9x9 grid, 4 faders, and some switches for Vel Xfade etc. It's working great for me. dadunn
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Yes, you can build your own layout from scratch. The faders take a little getting used to, but work out fine for me. The main advantage of the whole thing is having to press only one switch, and not a combination of switches to call up any articulation. Also, having the articulations labeled is fantastic. I build a layout for each family of VSL libraries that I have. Although I don't play parts in "live", I really like to be able to audition a phrase and quickly experiment. The Lemur support people helped me get the programming of scripts going, which would have been a long and arduous on my own. For anyone interested, I'd be willing to share what I have so far. ddunn
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Sounds terrific... That´s exactly what I would love, being able to pick articulations in one step. Thanks for your offer to share your work. You don´t happen to have a "screenshot" or alike from your setup? :)
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Download the Jazz Editor from the JazzMutant site. Then in a couple of days (when I get back to my studio) I'll send you a link to download a sample interface for VSL. I actually did most of the programming before I bought the Lemur to make sure it would work. Another great thing about the Lemur is being able to set up custom interfaces for all your Virtual instruments. The support from JazzMutant has been exceptional for me, saving me countless hours in programming. ddunn