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when will VE be 64 bit on mac
Last post Fri, Oct 24 2008 by Nick Batzdorf, 23 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 14:09
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484

Kontakt 3.5 is 64 bit I see no reason why VE shouldn't be 64 bit on Mac (i.e. no realistic memory limits). Maybe I missed a memo though.

Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 14:42
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

I think it's the same reason why Adobe Photoshop has announced a 64 Bit version exclusively for Windows.

Both applictaion are based on the same framework: QT by TrollTech.

When a 64 bit QT version for OSX is released we'll be able to offer the 64 Bit OSX version.

So hopefully soon.

I don't know on which framwork Kontakt is based, but propably not on QT.

And as far as I know, Kontakt 3.5 is announced but not released.

best

Herb

Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 14:48
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484

 according to what I've read it's NOT exlusive to windows it's claiming 64 bit mac support which was got me wondering.  Thanks for the reply. 

Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 18:21
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
KOntakt 3.5 is coming out in December and is 64bit!!!!

If they come out BEFORE VI 64bit...I am going to be severely pissed off...

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 20:49
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
svonkampen wrote:
KOntakt 3.5 is coming out in December and is 64bit!!!! If they come out BEFORE VI 64bit...I am going to be severely pissed off... SvK

Not to split hairs, but the December release is a public beta, not a proper release. If it happens. If it works...!


The other thing to remember, is that it may well be that there won't be a 64bit version of the plugin, as there are currently no 64bit sequencers for OSX.


DG

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Posted on Wed, Oct 22 2008 23:47
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
DG.....

You run it stand-alone....not plug-in

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 07:48
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
svonkampen wrote:
DG..... You run it stand-alone....not plug-in SvK

OK, so why do you need an OSX version, when you can run bootcamp?

DG

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Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 09:16
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29
DG wrote:
OK, so why do you need an OSX version, when you can run bootcamp?


OMG, why do we buy mac's ? Because of OSX!
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 11:59
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
kurt wrote:
DG wrote:
OK, so why do you need an OSX version, when you can run bootcamp?
OMG, why do we buy mac's ? Because of OSX!

However, if you are running a standalone slave, it doesn't really matter what OS you are running, and it just happens that XP is a better OS for streaming samples. If you are running it on the same computer as your sequencer, then yes, you need an OSX version.


Don't let OS religion get in the way of performance issues....!



DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
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48GB RAM
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Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 14:11
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484

 this all not the point, the point is mac is (seemingly) capable and there seems no reason for it to be 64 bit since other software companies managed to do it (supposedly). that's my point - I don't care which one you enjoy using.  I happen to have both and would like to run my VE my mac because it will work better in my particular setup.   

Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 14:18
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29
DG wrote:
it just happens that XP is a better OS for streaming samples


I don't believe you.
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 17:31
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
kurt wrote:
DG wrote:
it just happens that XP is a better OS for streaming samples
I don't believe you.

Up to you what you believe.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 18:46
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
DG....

no....as I run Logic 8....so VI OSX64 would run standalone.....and get piped into Logic8 via sound-flower.

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 18:54
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
svonkampen wrote:
DG.... no....as I run Logic 8....so VI OSX64 would run standalone.....and get piped into Logic8 via sound-flower. SvK

Ah yes, then you need either 64bit Logic, and/or 64bit VE. In your opinion, do you think that this will be significantly better than using multiple standalones?


FWIW, when 64bit VE is available, you won't need to run it as a standalone to access all your RAM.


DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 20:43
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29
the esx sampler of logic can address more than 4 GB RAM. So it's possible on os x !

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1041
Posted on Thu, Oct 23 2008 21:53
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
kurt wrote:
the esx sampler of logic can address more than 4 GB RAM. So it's possible on os x !

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1041

Not with a cross-platform app such as VE. AFAIK the EXS player uses X-Code, which can't be used for cross-platform apps.



DG
Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
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Intensity
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Posted on Fri, Oct 24 2008 05:43
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
The cruel joke is that the VSL Performance Tool doesn't work in Logic 8, which is the one with big memory access, in fact the only really big EXS library I know of is the original VSL. (Not that I'm blaming VSL for this, just pointing it out.)



But you can use multiple stand-alone VE3s on a Mac and access lots of RAM that way. It works very well.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Fri, Oct 24 2008 07:14
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29
DG wrote:

kurt wrote:
the esx sampler of logic can address more than 4 GB RAM. So it's possible on os x !

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1041

Not with a cross-platform app such as VE. AFAIK the EXS player uses X-Code, which can't be used for cross-platform apps.




So the VE is written in a different code than the kontakt engine ?
Posted on Fri, Oct 24 2008 07:48
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
kurt wrote:
DG wrote:

kurt wrote:
the esx sampler of logic can address more than 4 GB RAM. So it's possible on os x !

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1041

Not with a cross-platform app such as VE. AFAIK the EXS player uses X-Code, which can't be used for cross-platform apps.

So the VE is written in a different code than the kontakt engine ?

I can't answer that, because I haven't seen Kontakt 64bit. However as all other developers have been complaining that a vital bit of code needed for the OSX 64bit versions of their software wasn't released when Leopard was (and still may not have been, for all I know), it seems likely that Kontakt is not using this bit of code. See Herb's answer at the top of this thread.



DG
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48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
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Posted on Fri, Oct 24 2008 08:07
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29
Oops, i didn't saw the answer of Herb.




Good news about QT 4.5 :


Futureproof Qt users’ investments on the Mac® platform with added 64-bit support Continuing the Qt tradition of insulating developers from platform-specific changes, Qt 4.5 adds support for developing 64-bit applications on top of the new Mac Cocoa API, making it possible for Qt developers to deploy resource-intensive applications to the latest version of the Mac OS (10.5).



http://trolltech.com/abo....5-tech-preview-released
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