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Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 14:32
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119

Apparently, with Vienna Imperial, VSL altered the common Vienna Instrument interface, as there are different needs wether one plays a violin for example (lots of articulations) ore a grand.

Are there any plans altering the interface for the Konzerthaus Organ, too? I would appreciate that very much. The sound of the Konzerthaus Organ is just marvellous, but it´s quite a hassle to make a registration...

Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 18:58
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 27

The VSL interface is very limiting for an organ, but then it was presumably designed as a general-purpose orchestral instrument player rather than be too instrument-specific. As it stands, it's not too bad if you want to play something that uses fairly conventional registrations so you can set them up in advance as a custom matrix, but for anything else that either uses complex or "unconventional" registrations, or simply for improvisation, it's really not much use. One workaround that I'm experimenting with is the use of multiple instances of VI within my sequencer, all run off the same MIDI channel. Each instance has a small custom matrix that starts with an empty slot and contains stops of the same pitch. That way I can build up registrations by selecting the appropriate combination of 16', 8', 4' stops, etc. on an instance by instance basis. The next step would be to dust off my copy of MfxScript to simplify the selection of matrix cells and so I can use a midi controller device to select stops easily in the same way that I would if I were sitting at an organ console.

All of that said, the overal sound is wonderful. Maybe the wind pressure is a little low to successfully carry off some of my favourite 20th century French organ works, but for most of the symphonic organ repertoire it should be superb. Certainly a more organist-friendly interface would be nice, but so too would be the 12 stops of the Fernwerk. And the pedal Fagott and Bassethorn stops. And the Vox Humana with tremulant because that's how it's supposed to be played (although I can see the technical difficulties there). Oh, and the Glockenspiel Wink

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Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 19:20
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119

I guess everybody who uses the Konzerthaus Organ has its own workaround on how to make registrations. Mine ist most similar to yours. But every one of those workarounds is - surprise - just a workaround. It would be a piece of cake for a programmer to make a user friendly interface, because all I long for is more more more layers (add graphics from the organ, and I´ll be crying with delight). Understandably, Vienna Instruments are not designed to layer staccato-, legato-, crescendo-, pizzicato-patches and more (plus maybe the sordino versions), so this feature would only make sense for the organ. 

I would be willing to pay 50 bucks for such a feature, and if 100 or more users would do the same, the programming would be sufficiently rewarded.

Add the rest of the stops, and I´ll pay 100.

This is a petition. Please sign. :)

Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 19:35
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, Posts 282

Very pleased to read that!

Hope that Dietz will read this....!!!!!????

Hundred percent agree with you both.

VSL Organ must have is own interface!
(I'm not thinking about a graphical interface like Hauptwerk)
Just something allowing to Drag and Drop Stops into Division connected to a Midi Channel.

have a look on that thread:

http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/17683/126031.aspx#126031

What organists wants is only the possibilities to use VSL Organ as real!

Or better...

Be completly free to compose any combination of stops!

THIS IS THE NATURE OF PIPE ORGAN INSTRUMENT

Sincerely

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
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Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 20:07
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119

I´m quite confident that somebody from VSL will read this thread, even if they don´t take part at once.

Of course the Konzerthaus Organ is not only "not too bad", but great, and one can generate any combination of stops right now, the way it is - it´s just not fast and intuitive, far away from pulling the stops on a real thing.

VSL obviously can´t fulfill all the users wishes at once (I alone have other wishes besides the Konzerthaus Organ). I just hope there will be enough users wishing a new special interface, so that it´s lucrative for VSL to build it. 

And I hope the guys from VSL are vain enough for wanting to have not only the best sounding organ, but the best useable, too. :)

Posted on Sun, Jan 18 2009 21:53
by JFreese
Joined on Thu, Oct 11 2007, Posts 18

I agree this would be a much appreciated update to a wonderful organ.

Posted on Tue, Jan 20 2009 01:28
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, Posts 282

I can't beleive that there is only five VSL user interested in this thread?

So...

???

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
Mac OS 10.9.5

Dorico, Notion5, DP 8, Finale 2012,
-VSL, SE Complete Bundle, SE Synchronized, Ve Pro, Vi Pro, MIRx
Roland A-88 keyboard
Posted on Tue, Jan 20 2009 03:41
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1978
Posted on Tue, Jan 20 2009 09:21
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119
Guy wrote:

6, I'm in.

Our little community is growing, and now we have a prominent user amongst us. :)

Obama started small, too...

Posted on Tue, Jan 20 2009 15:54
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, Posts 282

Guy,

Thanks !

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
Mac OS 10.9.5

Dorico, Notion5, DP 8, Finale 2012,
-VSL, SE Complete Bundle, SE Synchronized, Ve Pro, Vi Pro, MIRx
Roland A-88 keyboard
Posted on Tue, Jan 20 2009 17:33
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 29

+1

Posted on Wed, Jan 21 2009 23:21
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, USA, Posts 194

Um, why assume that a thread that is only three days old (or younger) has received its full potential of responses?

Geesh, some of us have full-time day jobs AND are busy making music in our regular off-time.

At any rate, I would be interested in a small set of specialised interfaces for organ and other special-case instruments.

Once Garritan releases their much-delayed Virtual Organ, this may be necessary anyway, from a competitive point of view.

Posted on Thu, Jan 22 2009 15:23
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119

if i counted correctly, we are 8 now. 

YES WE CAN!

Posted on Sat, Jan 24 2009 11:43
by clemenshaas
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Cologne, Germany, Posts 119

to keep this thread up in the list: are we eight subscribers the only users of konzerthaus organ? are we clerical nerds? 

we need to bring change to the interface. change we can believe in. :)

Posted on Sat, Jan 24 2009 15:16
by Angelus
Joined on Mon, Jul 23 2007, Wiltshire, UK, Posts 27

How many people here would like to see a full simulated organ interface like a certain other product? For me, "just" the ability to do much more layering would be enough - as has already been said, that's one of the most fundamental feature of organs. Of course I haven't a clue how big a change that would be to the VI player.

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Posted on Sat, Jan 24 2009 18:58
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, Posts 282

Angelus,

Agree,

Just a big Multi-Patch cell working in

conjunction with the Preset cells would be -The Tool- !

Unlimited possibility...

That's it...

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
Mac OS 10.9.5

Dorico, Notion5, DP 8, Finale 2012,
-VSL, SE Complete Bundle, SE Synchronized, Ve Pro, Vi Pro, MIRx
Roland A-88 keyboard
Posted on Sun, Jan 25 2009 06:31
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, USA, Posts 194

Agreed. But I haven't had time to fully explore what can be done with the existing interface yet, in terms of assigning my own Presets to take full advantage of all of the available stops and programming ways to transition.

Posted on Sun, Jan 25 2009 13:43
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1978

So this isn't the thread for VSL T-shirts?

Posted on Sun, Jan 25 2009 22:19
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, Posts 282

Guy,

Pardon me I do not understad what you means...

My mother language is french.

Sincerely

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
Mac OS 10.9.5

Dorico, Notion5, DP 8, Finale 2012,
-VSL, SE Complete Bundle, SE Synchronized, Ve Pro, Vi Pro, MIRx
Roland A-88 keyboard
Posted on Sun, Jan 25 2009 23:07
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1978

Hehe! I was just joking on that last post! I pretended my participation to this thread was accidental. I'm 100% behind this thread to be clear. :)

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