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  • Microtuning missing in VI !

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         I hope all of you doing well....I own the whole vienna super package even the download products and my vienna library  one the the best I own but the problem is vienna team doesn't care about quarter tone ! most of turkish and middle east musician even in europe miss this option ! Most of them really looking to buy most of your products but they avoid to buy when they know there is no custome microtuning in VI engine! at present most of the play engine such kontakt 3 and Yellow tools products and DVZ strings V2 and omnisphere and play from eastwest and others they have this future for example I can detune the root key C from 0 to -50 or +50 or both keys E and B from 0 to -50.I appeal to VI team especially Herb to develop this feature in the next update..

    Kind regards.
  • J
    J

    Isn't there a tunning option in the Perform interface?  Am I missing something? 

    VSL doesn't make a 2nd violins patch so in order to create a 2nd violin section you use the 1st violin and just detune them a click or two.  Couldn't  you use the pitch shifter that I think is to the right of the virtual keyboard? 
  • Beat KaufmannB
    Beat KaufmannB
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    @shakuman said:

    ...0 to -50 or +50 or both keys...

    Hi Shakuman

    Take the way of fiddling around a bit and use the pitch possibility. Shown here...

    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vitipstricks1/index.php#53248297b50c2b917

    BTW:

    • 200 = 1 tone
    • 100 = 1/2 tone
    • 50  = 1/4 tone

    Good luck

    Beat Kaufmann

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    S

     Many Thanx Beat for your response..But I hope if you can explain the way to do that deeply..I need to hear the 1/4 tone while I am playing live ! Do you mean while I am playing I have to do it manually by using pitch bender  ?

    Kind regards. 
  • D
    D

     Does your sequencer not have a MIDI plug that you can use to set up different tunings?

    DG
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    S

     Hi DG.

                I am using Cubase SX3 it has a microtuning plugin but unfortunetly it dosn't support VI even Cubase 4!

    Shakuman.
  • Beat KaufmannB
    Beat KaufmannB

    Hi shakuman

    Yes you are correct. Even if the pitch wheel works - the micro tuner isn't able to do the same job with the VI.

    Perhaps there are free ware midi plugIns which can do it or somebody of VSL can give us the final trick.

    Beat

    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    D
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    @shakuman said:

     Hi DG.

                I am using Cubase SX3 it has a microtuning plugin but unfortunetly it dosn't support VI even Cubase 4!

    Shakuman.

     

    Not even using the Logical Editor? Hmm. I need to think about this a bit more.

    DG
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    S

                Believe me DG I am a composer and I know what is required there most of turkish and middle east musician waiting for this moment when VSL support microtuning it will be a huge bomb! even for vsl sales[;)] I hope Herb respond to us.

    Shakuman.
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    S

    Shakuman.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hello Shakuman,

    of course we don´t ignore it. Microtuning is on our to-do-list, but it´s not priority #1 at the moment.

    Thanks for your patience,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • S
    S

    Hi.

        Just a reminder please don't ignore the issue[:)]

    Kind regards.

       

  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hello Shakuman,

    again: of course we don´t ignore it. Microtuning is on our to-do-list, but it´s not priority #1 at the moment.

    Thanks for your patience,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • S
    S

     Hi.

         Just a reminder..Still I can't use VI with eastern music (turkish and arabic) ! really it is my hope to see the microtuner in VI..

    Shakuman.
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    @shakuman said:

    really it is my hope to see the microtuner in VI..

    I'd greatly appreciate microtuning, too

    Pitt
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    O

    me too!
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    C

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe one way to achieve an effective result would be to open an identical 2nd  instance of the instrument you are using. Detune it by a quarter tone. You should then be able to, albeit with a fair bit of editing, achieve a melodic line with quarter tones.

    Colin
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    O

    If you are going to do that, then it's better to just define the pitch bend amount that allows for the correct interval when the pitch bend controller is at full tilt, and adjust each note with pitch bend CC data in the DAW after the fact.  However, the ideas is to be able to actaully play and hear the correct intervals in real time.  This is EXTREMELY easy to accomplish with any library that uses Kontakt.  Play from EWQL also has some microtuning scripts.  VSL has not implemented this yet, but as can be read earlier in this thread, it is on the agenda.  Hopefully soon.  I find the workarounds precise and usable, but extremely inefficient.

    O
  • P
    P

    Well, two instances detuned by a quarter tone are not a good solution: (1) it is not playable, and (2) most alternative tuning systems -- non-European tuning systems as well as historical temperaments, which I'm interested in -- are utterly different from 24-tone equal temperament. The deviations from 12-tone equal temperament are much more subtle than a quarter-tone.

    The majority of the virtual instruments I use (Kontakt, Pianoteq, PLAY) *do* provide alternative tunings..., so, dear VSL team, please consider rising the priority of implementing it!

    Cheers, Pitt
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    C

    I would also like to chime in about a preference for other ways to intone. At this point I'm only familiar with what I have by VSL, which is some percussion and the overdrive e guitar. I'm surprised other intonations aren't implemented at all. An Arabic tuning has little or nothing to do with equal intervals, just by way of general information. It's based on a just intonation sort of thing, generally integer ratios. 'Quarter tone' is often spoken of, but it's a misnomer at least to a western musician. There are '24 tone' systems in place, but one derives usually not more than a seven note row from, just there is more than one row to be got.