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Hi All,
Thought I'd offer this as a comparison test. I did a mockup of the opening of Also Sprach Zarathustra with Altiverb to compare with the MIR demo on the same piece.
http://aeneaseditions.com/Strauss/ZarathustraOpening.mp3
versus
http://vsl.co.at/en/65/71/393/1165.vsl
Cheers, Brian [:)]
Hi... sounded really cool, I thought... but still, in direct comparason, I think the mir version sounded a bit different in terms of depth, it's hard to describe, a bit warmer maybe, MIR sounds a lot dryer, maybe even a bit too dry for my taste, but still, the "illusion of a room" does work better for me. But still I thought its really splendid, what you did with the altiverb...
My reaction is that the Altiverb sounds good but somewhat muddy and indistinct. I have always wanted to get a clear but rich sound from reverb, and haven't been able to the way you hear it in reality, when you are in a big concert hall - everything is clear and localized, but also big and rich. The MIR mix actually does that, which is amazing.
@lgrohn said:
Richard Strauss died 1949 so his works are copyrighted until 2019.
So all mockups of his works are ILLEGAL.
Not true at all (at least not in the U.S.). Also Sprach was published in 1896, (before the key date of 1923) and is therefore a public domain work here. Works of Strauss published after 1923 are potentially still copyrighted. May be different for EU countries, but to say all mockups of Strauss' works are illegal is simply false.
When I listened to this I really thought wow! That's amazing, but again, when I directly compared it to the MIR version I still have to say that in my opinion the MIR version wins in terms of instrument location and realism. But anyway, I do not think that the Zarathustra is the best piece of music to do this sort of comparasion. The leading instruments are spotlighted by the composition itself in a way, that location of the instruments and stereo imaging is not too crucial for enjoying the music. I would be interested to hear MIR within a tutti setup e.g. the last section of le sacre with these sorts of polyrhythms and complexity that the makes location of the instruments an important criteria in understanding the music. I wonder whether MIR is capable of handling complex tutties (at least with a regular 3-3-3-3 4-3-3-1 setup rather than the sophisticated instrumentation of stravinsky) with the current hardware setup ?
Hi again, one question I forgot to ask at the musicmesse... having heard the MIR in action was really stunning, I completely forgot about this :-)
so if you load the Instruments into the MIR do you have still the VI Player to edit the keyswitches etc and if not can you still load single patches creating your own patches or does the mir always load presets... if that is the case, how do the switches (like legato, staccato etc) work?
Differences are quite obvious indeed!
What worries me A LOT with MIR is you need only 1 PC to run a full orchestra. I'm now using 3 PC (and big configs) to get a decent workflow in MIDI only and real time processing. I'm concerned about having this much power need delievered by 1 pc even if it's a i7 with 12 gigs....also, too bad it works only through audio and not network.
Being a real fan of VSL I trust them but I have to admit I'm very skeptical and I may stay with VE3 + altiverb!
Hopefully I won't!
@ct1961 said:
Hi Ramu
I may be wrong, and I have been before
, but I believe MIR needs a powerful computer to run on it's own. It won't make your other PCs redundant. They'll still be required to run your libraries and DAW etc..
Colin
MIR is also the slave computer, as it hosts your samples as part of MIR. Anything on other PCs will not be included in the MIR processing. it may well be that when an option exists to host 3rd party samplers or audio files in MIR that it would be possible to feed the audio stream from a slave PC. I don't know, but for now it's one or nothing.
DG
@DG said:
MIR is also the slave computer, as it hosts your samples as part of MIR. Anything on other PCs will not be included in the MIR processing. it may well be that when an option exists to host 3rd party samplers or audio files in MIR that it would be possible to feed the audio stream from a slave PC. I don't know, but for now it's one or nothing.
DG
This is why I'm kind of worried 😊 But I have big faith in the VSL team! I will use my 2 slave pc as 3rd party VST host (viva Vienna E 3 PRO :))
@ct1961 said:
Hi Ramu
I may be wrong, and I have been before
Colin
MIR is also the slave computer, as it hosts your samples as part of MIR. Anything on other PCs will not be included in the MIR processing. it may well be that when an option exists to host 3rd party samplers or audio files in MIR that it would be possible to feed the audio stream from a slave PC. I don't know, but for now it's one or nothing.
DG
Thanks for correcting me DG. Obviously mis-read previous posts re MIR.
So that is the second time I've been wrong.[:O] First time was being persuaded by that salesman to buy the Special Edition and subsequently getting drawn into the world of VSL. Can hardly afford a pint these days, never mind MIR and an i7. Mind you, six months ago I was saying the same about Appassionatas, Woodwinds, Brass, Percussion, Harps, Bosendorfers, Solo Strings etc.[:D]
Colin
Hey Brian,
I really love the sound of your version (as well as the MIR of course). I was wondering if you don't mind, if you could tell me your setup
1) What Altiverb IR's are you using?
2) How many IRs? Are they for different depths?
3) Do you use pre or post send?
I haven't got a mix with altiverb as good as that and so would really appreciate your input.
Thanks!
