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Posted on Sun, Apr 05 2009 17:31
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

HI VSL, when would you think we'll be able to have an idea of MIR prices? We need to start budgeting.

Posted on Sun, Apr 05 2009 22:11
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761
Hi Hose,


Thanks for your interest! The Vienna MIR Download version will be available for around 800,- Euro. This includes all five halls of the Vienna Konzerthaus, and maybe one or the other surprise. Additional venues will be available later, but the prices for these IR-sets are not fixed yet.


The boxed Vienna MIR Premium / Pro / [whatever it will be called then ;-) ...] will cost around 1.500,- Euro and is planned to be ready next winter. This version will allow for the inclusion of external audio-signals and 3rd-party virtual instruments.


HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Apr 05 2009 22:43
by Austin
Joined on Thu, Oct 31 2002, California, Posts 373

Will there be an upgrade path to MIR Pro/Premium if you purchase the download version of MIR now?

Potato
Posted on Mon, Apr 06 2009 08:58
by Martin
Joined on Fri, Aug 23 2002, Wien, Posts 497

Of course!

Martin Tichy
Marketing Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Apr 07 2009 01:37
by Sonophile
Joined on Thu, Jan 23 2003, Posts 133

Will VSL users have a discount ?

Mathieu Laprise
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Posted on Tue, Apr 07 2009 06:45
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761
I don't think so. Vienna MIR Downlad will work only with Vienna Instruments for now, so all customers would get a discount ;-D
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Apr 07 2009 08:08
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Dietz wrote:
I don't think so. Vienna MIR Downlad will work only with Vienna Instruments for now, so all customers would get a discount ;-D

I would have thought that the biggest part of the budget was the PC needed to run it. Smile


BTW, has MIR been tested with the new Mac Pros running XP64? I'm curious to know if the performance is better than the current i7 quads.


DG


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48GB RAM
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Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2009 16:37
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

By the way, I would like to ask Dietz or someone at VSL's technical team, regarding the performance of the i7 machine, the one used at Namm to host MIR? I believe Dietz mentioned that it was an i7 965, with 12GB of ram. Could someone please, give some estimate of how much ram does one hall consumes, and perhaps how much CPU power was being used? etc.. thanks

Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2009 17:36
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

Thanks for your interest, Hose!

The numbers from the NAMM-show are not valid for the final product, as the engine has undergone yet another optimization process in regard of RAM usage. Apart from that, all sets of Multi Impulse Responses differ a lot in size, depedant on the length of the reverb in the hall (up to 10 seconds), and the number of individual stage positions we recorded (between 25 and 40). - 12 GB of RAM seem to be a reasonable size, though, especially when using the Vienna Instruments's RAM Optimization feature.

CPU consumption, OTOH, relies mostly on the number of instruments actually playing on stage, the chosen output format, and the global latency settings. The i7 I used for the NAMM and Musikmesse presentations showed an average of 50 to 60 % of CPU-power for "Also sprach Zarathustra", with about 25 individual Vienna Instruments playing at the same time during the final chord - in 5-channel surround, at a latency of 2048 samples. The same piece should put less than half the load on the CPU in stereo. Very low latency settings will tax the CPU disproportionately high; we got reasonable results with 256 samples with the RME HDSP-audio system we used, but not with big arrangements.

... all these numbers may be subject to change without prior notice, of course! ;-)

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2009 19:08
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

Thanks for your reply. Right now I already use two machines to host VEs only, and other machines for other plugins. Therefore, I wish that maybe MIR will be able to run on a seperate machine by itelf, and just like VE3, it will be able to stream all the audio transfers through network. I think this will give us the abilty to have a large orchestral template under our finger tips, and then use ram optimization where neccessary only, instead of stressing one machine to do all the work, and having to use ram optimization more frequently. Thanks Damian.

Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2009 19:24
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761

I completely understand your whishes - but the first version of Vienna MIR will be a "closed" system, sorry to say so. Our developers will concentrate on the issue of including signals from the "outside" for MIR Premium Edition.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2009 20:34
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

Yes, yes ofcourse! I did not assume that a certain feature like this will be available for the download version. I just said so because, since the Premium Edition will be able to host 3rd party plugins, and seems to have several other exclusive features, I thought it would be great to have this capability aswell. Many thanks:)

Posted on Sun, Apr 19 2009 16:23
by hetoreyn
Joined on Sat, Nov 27 2004, Vancouver, British Columbia, Posts 1159

So If I may ask .. What's the hang up with a Download version for Mac OS X? I understand the DVD version with have a Mac version, but why not the download.

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Posted on Sun, Apr 19 2009 17:09
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761
hetoreyn wrote:

So If I may ask .. What's the hang up with a Download version for Mac OS X? I understand the DVD version with have a Mac version, but why not the download.


Two reasons:


1. Concentrating our limited development forces on the task at hand - finally releasing a first version of Vienna MIR. But mainly:

2. Waiting for a full-fledged 64-bit Mac OS.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2009 03:02
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700

Hello Dietz

>2. Waiting for a full-fledged 64-bit Mac OS

I do not understand this, Native Instrument has now THE Kontakt 64 bit MAC OS version on public beta

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2009 08:27
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9117

 well, VSL and NI are two seperate companies ... though you have seen VI/VE versions labeled as public beta at VSL from time to time this is not to become a rule ...

64bit VI/VE versions are on the schedule (and maybe it will be decided to publish a not 100% perfect version as public beta) but for MIR there isn't even a public beta available for windows ;-) so lets do things step by step ... and not cluck too much about unlayed eggs.

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2009 17:13
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508

 MIR is recommended for i7 processors if I recall. Is that also the case with the DL version or?

Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2009 17:38
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7761
Christian Marcussen wrote:

 MIR is recommended for i7 processors if I recall. Is that also the case with the DL version or?


Yes.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 22 2009 18:31
by CplusE
Joined on Thu, Jul 26 2007, Posts 66

 It seem allot of work went into  making the MIR. I know you already have a short video on the VSL site. But i hope you guys documented the process of the good and bad of creating the MIR. Maybe with the DVD version have a short documentary about it creation. Almost like getting a golden ticket to Willie Wonka factory.   Because the way it sounds with allot of amazing studios and Halls closing this is going to be a big event when it comes out.

Just a thought.

iMac i7
Posted on Fri, May 01 2009 02:59
by patrik
Joined on Thu, Apr 05 2007, near Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 144

hi vsl team,

is there any news concerning a release date for the MIR (the convolution reverb) really made me even more curious!

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48 GB RAM
Behringer X32 (connected via USB 2)
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2 x Intel Xeon E5530; 2,4 GHZ
24 GB RAM
Windows 7
ASIO: EMU PCIe, ASIO4all
midi: M-Audio 4x4

Slave 2 (VEPro):
I7 940; 2,93 GHz
12 GB RAM
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