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Heya.
Im sure this is covered one million times in the forum already, but since im so lazy , here we go again:
What is VSL`s policy on transfering licences from old users to new ones?
Iv been offered to buy 2ndhand VSl (dvd) libs every now and then, and im wondering...will i be able to get a valid licence uncer such terms?
Thanx.
Heya.
Im sure this is covered one million times in the forum already, but since im so lazy , here we go again:
What is VSL`s policy on transfering licences from old users to new ones?
Iv been offered to buy 2ndhand VSl (dvd) libs every now and then, and im wondering...will i be able to get a valid licence uncer such terms?
Thanx.
The best thing to do is contact support directly.
DG
yeah..offcourse.
I would ask anyone wanting to sell a used soundlib to document its legality tho, i wont just take their word for it.
But somehow i feel thats the sellers responsiblity to make clear and take care off.
Theoretically there ought not to be a logistical problem, as the library is dongle protected, but there is no automatic right of slae, and there may even be a transfer fee (as there is with Steinberg products).
Certainly the seller should contact VSL before even offering the library for sale.
DG
since with Vienna Instruments also software and a copy protection is involved it has been decided that under _certain_ circumstances a transfer of the license is possible - _certain_ includes but is not limited to:
- licensee contacting VSL sales (a transfer fee will apply) for approvement
- handing over all related material including license to the new user
- who has to confirm having received complete product including license on a key
- product registrations are adjusted accordingly
please note: the legal situation in different countries may vary, but in any case it is not possible to *sell* a product, except the seller is an authorized dealer - this is important for the safety of the buyer purchasing a valid license.
you should never buy at auction platforms like ebay because you (and VSL) don't know anything about the seller and the license.
christian
Thanx for the info.
"licensee contacting VSL sales (a transfer fee will apply) for approvement"
Can you be specific? A transfer fee...? How much? Like 50 Euros or 20% of the library (yeah right) and does this license fee go to VSL, or to Syncrosoft?
and as obvious as it might sound....Why?
Thanx.
I contacted support a few days ago, because I want to sell my libraries too. They told me that the minimal fee for transfering any license is 50,- EUR, while the exact amount is defined as 10% of the actual recommended retail price of the libraries in question.
I'm also not quite sure, why there is any fee involved in the first place. Definitely not common practice.
lowkey, it is necessary to adjust your wording - as end user you can't sell a library, you can just request a transfer of your license.
selling licenses is restricted to VSL and authorized dealers.
also please understand we had to delete your other post where you are directly offering a *sale* of your registered products as this is a clear break of the license agreement ... at least we would expect to be asked before posting such an offer - the VSL forum is not an online second hand shop.
christian
Well, whatever... I wonder why VSL is putting up such rigorous administrative barriers for their customers.
In nearly all other fields of highend software (e.g. 3D packages, etc.) it is common practice that licenses may be transfered at any time and without any additional costs.
On top of that, I don't really see any problem with making public offers, so what's the point in prohibiting these?
If I knew of this policy before, I'd never even spent a single buck on such a company's product, no matter how great it might be (despite the bugs).
In nearly all other fields of highend software (e.g. 3D packages, etc.) it is common practice that licenses may be transfered at any time and without any additional costs.
I doubt that this is the case for sample libraries. Do some research and then post your finding.
DG
hm, 10% ...are you sure about that? Can somone from VSL say somethign about this transaction fee, please?
I would say ALOT of users are not aware of this "rule"...i spoke to someone a while ago that wanted to sell a computer with a bunch of VSL stuff on it, and when i asked about the license, he simply replied..."oh its on a steinberg key, the licence follows the key, no problem."
And i think he would not be alone in assuming that. This seems to be what alot of people think , since that is the practice for other Syncrosoft \ Ilok dependant software..
But here, i guess the idea is that you cant "sell" something you dont own to beginn with...
Well, legaly ...i guess you can sell the physical hardware, the box, dvd and VSl key...but that doesnt have anything to do with getting a licence for using the sounds...
hm, 10% ...are you sure about that? Can somone from VSL say somethign about this transaction fee, please?
I would say ALOT of users are not aware of this "rule"...i spoke to someone a while ago that wanted to sell a computer with a bunch of VSL stuff on it, and when i asked about the license, he simply replied..."oh its on a steinberg key, the licence follows the key, no problem."
And i think he would not be alone in assuming that. This seems to be what alot of people think , since that is the practice for other Syncrosoft \ Ilok dependant software..
But here, i guess the idea is that you cant "sell" something you dont own to beginn with...
Well, legaly ...i guess you can sell the physical hardware, the box, dvd and VSl key...but that doesnt have anything to do with getting a licence for using the sounds...
FWIW, Steinberg also charges a transfer fee.
" wonder why VSL is putting up such rigorous administrative barriers for their customers"
Believe it of not, they're being very lenient and offering to bend the rules for you. Most sample libraries can't be "resold."
I know it seems strange - a few years ago it took me a while to settle this in my mind. If you think of the library the same way you think of a hardware instrument with samples burned into ROM, it makes no sense; you can sell keyboards as much as you want. But when you "buy" a sample library, the product is the license to use it on your own projects, not the library itself. Reselling the license is more like your hiring a musician through a contractor, then deciding you've had enough of his playing and pimping him out to someone else for another session. :)
As long as the terms of the license are spelled out when you buy it - as they always are - the developer isn't obligated to let you license it to someone else when you get tired of it. And most of them don't.
hm, 10% ...are you sure about that?
100% sure, I have just double checked the support mail from Mr. Steinbauer.
And yes, I understand the concept of licensing vs. buying, but as already mentioned above, I wasn't really aware of this, when I purchased/licensed the product and I can imagine a lot of people aren't aware of this either. Anyway, thanks for your input, guys.
I just wonder, what options I now have to find a new licensee, when posting offers online is not a legal way of getting people interested in my proposal. Are my DVDs supposed to be abandoned? This would be a real shame.
