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Posted on Thu, Jul 09 2009 22:16
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740

Hello to all of the family

I'm happy to offer some presets for creating 3 depths with the Vienna Suite Convolution.Reverb. Cool

The presets are useful as a starting point in minimum...

  • BK Grosser Saal Close
  • BK Grosser Saal Mid
  • BK Grosser Saal Far
  • BK Large Concert Hall Close
  • BK Large Concert Hall Mid
  • BK Large Concert Hall Far
  • BK Mozart Saal Close
  • BK Mozart Saal Mid
  • BK Mozart Saal Far
  • BK Neuer Saal Close
  • BK Neuer Saal Mid
  • BK Neuer Saal Far
  • BK Schubert Saal Close
  • BK Schubert Saal Mid
  • BK Schubert Saal Far

You can download them at

http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/extras/suite-presets/index.php

(no more available > see below)

Yours

Beat Kaufmann

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Sorry that I have to make this bad change here:

I've created 3 complete Orchestra Sets (Pan, EQ and of coarse depths) for the Vienna SUITE.

See and listen to them at: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/suite-presets/index.php

They will be available from the 25th of October. But Unfortunately they will be not free of charge Crying 

So I've decided to stop the free download of depths here...

I hope that you understand this step even if these are bad news.

Thanks

All the best

Beat Kaufmann

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Fri, Jul 10 2009 16:02
by wolfgang
Joined on Fri, Jun 13 2003, Long Island, NY, Posts 134
Beat Kaufmann wrote:

Hello to all of the family

I'm happy to offer some presets for creating 3 depths with the Vienna Suite Convolution.Reverb. Cool

The presets are useful as a starting point in minimum...

Yours

Beat Kaufmann

Beat, your generosity to everyone in this community is always most appreciated.

Cheers,

-Ron

Posted on Fri, Jul 10 2009 22:04
by ozoufonoun_29353
Joined on Sun, Jul 22 2007, Posts 107

Hi Beat,

Thanks for sharing this.  I am currently in the market to buy a convolution plug, and have not yet decided if I want to go with Altiverb or the VS.  I used the demo of VS, and thought it was quite good.  I was however not pleased by the lack of multiple distances in the IRs.  Altiverb, for example, lets you use different distances for the different instrumental choirs.

It seems that you have done this as well, but since you are doing it only by adjusting parameters, and not by actaully using different distance IR's, I am wondering what method you have used to achieve this? 

Thanks for you insights and time,

O

omidzoufonoun.com
Posted on Sat, Jul 11 2009 17:51
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740
ozoufonoun_29353 wrote:

...I have not yet decided if I want to go with Altiverb or the VS.  ... Altiverb, for example, lets you use different distances for the different instrumental choirs.... It seems that you have done this as well, but since you are doing it only by adjusting parameters...  I am wondering what method you have used to achieve this? 

Hi O

Yes, I've used the offered knobs and shifters achieve the different depths. The main difference between the depths is the balance between the dry and wet signal.

But the presets with the Convo-Reverb is only the one side. The other side of the coin is that you have to do some works inside your DAW.

The farther away an instrument or a group of instruments should sound...

1. the more you should narrowing the stereo signal

2. the more you shoud cut the high frequencies a bit

If you have done it then you will get good results together with my depth-presets.

The two "shift-speakers" within Altiverb are easier to handle because all the EQ and mono settings will be made for you.

Further, Altiverb offers several closer and farther IRs with the same room. That's really a help. Unfortunately there are not a great

number of "color free" and usable rooms for orchestras even if the total offer of IRs is enormous.

The Vienna Convolution Reverb comes only with usable IRs. I didn't found a bad one.

But I'm not sure whether we can compare the two reverbs. Altiverb is a reverence for all other Reverbs...

Buying both of them could be a solution Smile

Best, Beat

By the way: I installed a sound example on my homepage of "Neuer Saal"

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sun, Jul 12 2009 15:03
by Chuck Green
Joined on Thu, Dec 21 2006, Ann Arbor, MI (USA), Posts 518

Hi Beat,

No Luck on the Mac - Intel.  Loaded the preset into:

Library/Application Support/VSL/VSL Convolution Reverb/vci/VSL 3-Depth

At first the IR's were grayed out when I went to open them.  I noticed that the VSL Factory IR's had an extension of .vci.  I changed the filename to include the .vci extension and then the IR's were available but when I went to open them I received the following message: "Could not open impulse response".

Posted on Sun, Jul 12 2009 15:15
by Chuck Green
Joined on Thu, Dec 21 2006, Ann Arbor, MI (USA), Posts 518

By the way Beat,

I did first try putting them into the Shared Items directory receiving the same results......

Posted on Wed, Jul 15 2009 15:31
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740
Chuck Green wrote:

Hi Beat,

No Luck on the Mac - Intel.  Loaded the preset into:

Library/Application Support/VSL/VSL Convolution Reverb/vci/VSL 3-Depth

At first the IR's were grayed out when I went to open them.  I noticed that the VSL Factory IR's had an extension of .vci.  I changed the filename to include the .vci extension and then the IR's were available but when I went to open them I received the following message: "Could not open impulse response".

Hi Chuck

Where to install the presets?

In the Suite-Manual is written...

OS X: [Macintosh HD]/Shared Items/Vienna Suite Presets/[PluginName]

Maybe a VSL moderator can confirme here that we are able to exchange ViennaSuite-Presets between MAC and WIN.

Thanks

Best, Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sun, Aug 23 2009 20:19
by Jeff K
Joined on Fri, May 02 2008, Posts 22

Hi Beat,

Is it necessary to change the file extensions on these 3-Depth presets or just leave them as is? I've placed them in the following location below on my Vista machine, but VS just does not see them. Thanks!

[user name]/AppData/Roaming/Vienna Suite Presets

Posted on Sun, Aug 23 2009 21:08
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740

Hi Jeff

I have the German version of Vista. Beside [username]/AppData/... I also have [username]/Anwendungsdaten/Vienna Suite Presets/VSL Convolution Reverb/...

My presets are stored in the last one.

My suggestion: Open your VSL Convolution Reverb and save a an own preset. Search then this preset within the [username] folders.

Once, you have found it copy all my depth presets in the same folder. The convolution reverb will show them when you press "Load".

Hope that helps

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sun, Aug 23 2009 21:28
by gdugan2
Joined on Mon, Sep 08 2008, Utica, NY, Posts 70

Beat,

I noticed on your webpage that you seem to work with three depths - one for Strings, Winds, and Brass, respectively.  I'm wondering what you do with Percussion.  I personally use a fourth depth for percussion.  Do you do this also, or do you adjust the reverb of each percussion instrument individually?  Just wondering.  Thanks.

iMac 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.12.6, 16 GB RAM, PT 12.6
Posted on Sun, Aug 23 2009 21:54
by Jeff K
Joined on Fri, May 02 2008, Posts 22

Beat, thanks so much! I got it to work.

Best, Jeff

Posted on Mon, Aug 24 2009 06:41
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740
Gary Dugan wrote:

Beat,

I noticed on your webpage that you seem to work with three depths - one for Strings, Winds, and Brass, respectively.  I'm wondering what you do with Percussion.  I personally use a fourth depth for percussion...

Hello Gary

I also work with 4 depths when I believe that it's necessary. But often I take the 3rd depth for percussion as well because I take the depths a bit too far. That means *Close" is a bit too close and "Far" is a bit too far. So I can't shift the percussion even farther away...Smile

Symphonic Rag a piece with 4 depths (Wood-Xylphon = 4th depth and the horns (end)) 

All the best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Wed, Sep 30 2009 20:13
by Yanick
Joined on Thu, Nov 15 2007, Montreal , Posts 32

Thanks Beat.

Still, i cant find a way to install those Presets.

They are all been dragged to C:\Users\me\Vienna Ensemble\Plugin Presets\VSL Convolution Reverb x64 where my other saved presets are.

I needed to had a .FXP for them to show up for selection in the preset box inside Reverb x64 plug. But still i'm getting "Incompatible Preset file" error when i try to load them.

What i'm i doing wrong?

Y-

Posted on Fri, Oct 02 2009 03:03
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1126

Hello Mr. Kaufmann and thanks for the gracious downloads. 

I'm on a Mac 10.6.1. I've located the shared folder and confirmed that I can save Vienna Suite presets to that folder. When I drag one of your presets into that folder, Logic doesn't seem to see it. 

The test presets I saved were text files. Yours come through as Unix executable files. Perhaps I am uninformed here. When I click on them, Terminal launches and I get the following error message:

/VSL\ Convolution\ Reverb/BK\ Grosser\ Saal\ Close ; exit;

-bash: /Shared Items/Vienna Suite Presets/VSL Convolution Reverb/BK Grosser Saal Close: cannot execute binary file

logout


[Process completed]



Perhaps a VSL tech could advise us both as to the suitability of PC Vienna Suite presets in a Mac world. Thanks to anyone who can help.  

Posted on Sat, Oct 03 2009 14:28
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740

Hello plowman, hello MACers

Thanks for your interessts in the suite-depth-presets. And sorry for the troubles you seem to have with them...

As you know, I'm not on a MAC. But I've sent my files to check out to Paul (VSL) - and I got a "OK, they work" back from him.

So there is a glimmer of hope.

To be sure that you have saved my files in the correct folder:

Open the convolution effect within your Host and save a preset of your own.

Just open my  zip-file and put the data-files (presets) into the same folder which contains yours as well.

That's all what I can say from my side.

If this doesn't help - yes we all have to wait and hope on help from the "creator(s) of the suite effects" Smile

Best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sat, Oct 03 2009 15:46
by GillesCostard
Joined on Tue, Jul 24 2007, france, Posts 124

Hi beat,

Thanks a lot for your preset they are great ^.^ And for Mac user i can say it work i just did like beat said, i have save one preset i made in the convulation reverb and keep the name it give by default "New preset" then i have go  in finder and taped in shearch "New preset" then i have copy/past the files of Beat in the file is "New preset" and when you go in load section in your convulation reverb they all are there ^.^ If that can help for those that not working ^.^

Thanks again Beat ^.^

Posted on Sun, Oct 04 2009 03:23
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1126

Thanks to both Beat and Gilles. 

I have loaded them successfully. The catch: these aren't impulses (that I knew), and they're *not* presets (that I didn't know). So they don't show up in Settings drop down. If you save a "New Preset" default file as a tracer (to discover the right path), and then drop Beat's files into that same folder, they still won't show up as a Setting. Settings, I have learned (the hard way, as I learn all things), are aupreset files. That's what shows up in the drop menu to the left of the Copy / Paste boxes. 

BUT, if (as Gilles said) you open LOAD, which is just above the graphical window, to the right of Factory Presets, a-ha! There is found the work of our magnanimous friend, Mr. Kaufmann. 

And "New Preset" will be there too.

The confusing part is, "New Preset" also appears in the aupreset drop down menu after it is saved, leading the user to think BK's work should be there too. I dragged BK's files into that folder, but they're not aupresets. So the Settings drop menu won't show them, even if they're in the folder. 

I look forward to learning from this work as I have learned from all your contributions here, Beat. The examples you put on your site of Close, Mid, and Far were immediately helpful. Thanks again. 

Posted on Sun, Oct 04 2009 12:39
by GillesCostard
Joined on Tue, Jul 24 2007, france, Posts 124

Heya plowman,

Glad you have can make it and i have can help you a bit ^.^

And thanks again Beat ^.^

Posted on Sun, Oct 04 2009 22:59
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1740

Hi to all

Thanks for your praising words about the depth presets Embarrassed.

Two additions:

1. For getting even closer distances: Reduce the value of "Decorr" down to 0...1%...2%

2. I  will be able to publish 3 whole "Orchestra Sets" of "Suite-Effect-Presets" soon... Smile

All the Best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Sun, Oct 04 2009 23:22
by Austin
Joined on Thu, Oct 31 2002, California, Posts 373

Hi Beat,

I look forward to those as your presets are quite useful! Thaks for sharing them :).

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