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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 14:17
by thomas wolter
Joined on Wed, Jul 21 2004, Posts 84

see:  

http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/

at a first look they´re did some nice adds to the audio functions like "flex time tool" and selective track import!

i hope they did some improvements to the score editor too!

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 14:29
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

Holy hell these people are Ninja's!  You don't hear squat about anything and them WAMO they blast you in the face with a new product.  Logic 8 is still new in my books and had great potential.  I would have preferred to see them do updates to it and add new features like Articulation mapping etc.  I am going there right now to read about it!

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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 15:44
by chemicalseb
Joined on Sat, May 08 2004, Los Angeles, Posts 112

I was quite excited when I received the news by RSS feed, but I have to say that I am not as impressed as I thought I would be.  No articulation mapping, which is unfortunate but excusable since only Cubase seems to have it.  No audio pitch correction tool on the track (or whatever that's called), unlike DP and Cubase......sigh.  It looks like most of the new stuff regards audio tracks, which is fine and all, but I wanted to see new things on the midi side.

Logic 9 better be a 64 bit application ...

Looking at it again, it's not bad.  Very nice new audio stuff but still....  

I just hope it's 64 bit and that I won't be upgrading to a new version that only has new stuff that I wouldn't really use...

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 16:01
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

Yup I noticed no articulation/expression mapping which sucks.  I also noticed it doesn't say anywhere in the tech specs about it being 64-bit.  I also noticed it seems to be very geared towards guitarists at the moment and for Mainstage 2 live stuff.

I see lots of new features but none of which would make me upgrade unfortunately.  I would be interested however in seeing how the notation is holding up now.  I am really tired of spending money/using Sibelius just to create a score of my works.  Would prefer to use one application for all.

Obviously when it's officially in a lot more peoples hands and being used, we may see some benefits that I am missing at the moment.  I am sure someone will see the value in the upgrade.  I would just assume see my Logic 8 be updated.  Logic is also falling terribly behind as the midi editor choice.  I wouldn't any longer call it the king for midi.

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Lemur Control Surface
Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 19:56
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270

I think it's still a 32-bit application, which is really a disappointment. I was hoping it would be 64-bit in preparation for Snow Leopard, which I think is supposed to come in September.  For my needs, I think I could probably skip the Logic 9 upgrade and just wait for Logic 10, which might be the 64-bit version.

Kerry

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 20:04
by chemicalseb
Joined on Sat, May 08 2004, Los Angeles, Posts 112

The fact that it's probably still a 32 bit app is completely unacceptable!  I'm starting to lose a faith a little in Logic.  With this new update, I'm not too happy with the direction that Apple seems to be going for...

Now Cubase 5 is starting to interest me a little...

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 21:37
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376
snajand wrote:
The fact that it's probably still a 32 bit app is completely unacceptable!

I think you're over-reacting a little. There's no point in releasing a 64 bit application for a 32 bit OS. I expect that once Snow Leopard is out they'll release a minor upgrade (9.1 or something) that will make it 64 bit. They did a similar upgrade for the switch from PPC to Intel processors.

Best,

M

Martin Thornton
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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 22:00
by chemicalseb
Joined on Sat, May 08 2004, Los Angeles, Posts 112

I might be overreacting a little, that is true, but isn't Mac OS 10.5 already 64 bit capable, hence the possibility of having 32gb of ram?

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 22:06
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
snajand wrote:

I might be overreacting a little, that is true, but isn't Mac OS 10.5 already 64 bit capable, hence the possibility of having 32gb of ram?

 

There is no point in a 64bit sequencer when there are no 64bit plugs though.

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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 22:15
by chemicalseb
Joined on Sat, May 08 2004, Los Angeles, Posts 112

Hm true.

I guess in the case of using VE it wouldn't make sense indeed.  But what about with VI, wouldn't loading a lot of instances of VIs in logic benefit from a 64 bit host?  or are instances of VI connected to each other other than through the host?  I guess they'd have to make Logic 64bit able to open 32bit plugins....

I think I'm overreacting because I expected a lot more from this new version of Logic.

snajand

Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 22:57
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
snajand wrote:

Hm true.

I guess in the case of using VE it wouldn't make sense indeed.  But what about with VI, wouldn't loading a lot of instances of VIs in logic benefit from a 64 bit host?  or are instances of VI connected to each other other than through the host?  I guess they'd have to make Logic 64bit able to open 32bit plugins....

I think I'm overreacting because I expected a lot more from this new version of Logic.

snajand

It would only really make sense if VI was a 64bit plug. If not, then Logic would have to use some sort of bridging technology, which might work, but you would have no guarantees. I think you are better of with your 32bit sequencer and VE Pro.

DG




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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 23:12
by jeanlouishennequin
Joined on Thu, Aug 10 2006, Posts 10

I think all ProApps will get an update when Snow is out. Then you will get two things: 29€ for Snow, free update for your ProApp, and so you will be happy to have to buy an Intel Mac Wink 

Posted on Fri, Jul 24 2009 07:35
by Stibi74
Joined on Mon, Jun 22 2009, Posts 18
jeanlouishennequin wrote:

I think all ProApps will get an update when Snow is out. Then you will get two things: 29€ for Snow, free update for your ProApp, and so you will be happy to have to buy an Intel Mac Wink 



I think you are right..the money to earn for apple is in the machines and hardware (And Snow will be only available for IntelMacs)not in the software...so the software is just the reason to make you buy a new Intel Mac...
:-))))

But i also hope it´s 64-Bit..im using VI now for only 1 month, but it´s a little disappointing to be so fast on the top of performance - so when i want to use it in the way a need it, there are only the options with a 2nd PC and this means even more money to spend...-((

Stefan

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Posted on Fri, Jul 24 2009 09:57
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2629

Hello

I had French Logic support, Logic 9 is 64 bit.

It is not advertised because Snow Leopard is not out !!

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Fri, Jul 24 2009 10:09
by Stibi74
Joined on Mon, Jun 22 2009, Posts 18
Cyril wrote:

Hello

I had French Logic support, Logic 9 is 64 bit.

It is not advertised because Snow Leopard is not out !!

Best

Cyril


Sounds like good news for me...
Stefan

____________________________________
Mac Pro 8-Core
12 GB Ram
Logic 9.1.3
Special Edition - FULL
Appassionata Strings 1 - Full
Woodwind 1 - Standart
Brass 1 - Standart
Ensemble Pro / Instrument Pro
Epic Orchestra / Flügelhorn / String+
Posted on Fri, Jul 24 2009 10:14
by thomas wolter
Joined on Wed, Jul 21 2004, Posts 84

finally!!

... long awaited

Posted on Sat, Jul 25 2009 05:53
by hetoreyn
Joined on Sat, Nov 27 2004, Vancouver, British Columbia, Posts 1157

64 bit means we can have more instruments working within logic. Not just VI but EXS 24, and all other plugs. I have quite a few 64 bit ready plugs myself so I'm looking forward to it. All I want to do is to be able to fill about 6 gig of RAM with my VI orchestra .. and have another gig free for some of the synth plugs I use .. then I could do everything on the one laptop. which would so kick ass.

I hope the upgrade to Logic 9 isn't too expensive though. I've rather enjoyed using Logic 8 .. even though the score editor is still crap for full orchestra. Hopefully that's something else they've sorted out .. or I'll seriously be looking into Finale for my next sequencer.

Jeez .. so much stuff to podcast on :P .. Yeah yeah I know I'm somewhat behind on that. All I can say is I've been real busy. But I'm planning to get a new show together to talk about my findings of the Vienna Suite, some other plug and software appraisals and perhaps even some thoughts on MIR and intergrating it into the studio setup. But my next imminent topic will be VE Pro.

I have new templates and such ready, with what I think it a nice sound and I'll be looking to explain all this soon. So if anyones still interested in the Podcast, it is coming back again. It's just taken the long way round to get there :P, but at least I've got lots to talk about now.

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Posted on Sat, Jul 25 2009 09:17
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
hetoreyn wrote:

64 bit means we can have more instruments working within logic. Not just VI but EXS 24, and all other plugs.

 

Not necessarily. Don't count your chickens until you have tested all this. EXS has been able to address more than Logic's allocation of RAM since Logic 8, so there is no change there. I would also beware of thinking that you can use most of your RAM on your lappie for loading samples. OSX needs loads of RAM to overcome the streaming limitations imposed by the OS. I hope you're not disappointed when you eventually get it all running.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
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48GB RAM
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Posted on Sun, Jul 26 2009 02:09
by hetoreyn
Joined on Sat, Nov 27 2004, Vancouver, British Columbia, Posts 1157

hehe .. you mention an interesting point. I actually intend to have the full 8 gig of ram in my laptop .. and basically having 2 gig set aside for Logic, OS, and other such things that need space. I have figured that my requirements for running a full orchestra is around the 5-6 gig region. This still leaves an adequate safety zone for running everything else.

I've been producing full orchestral work, with a few hic cups obviously, with only 4 gig of Ram on a 2.4 ghz Macbook Pro. And that has served me pretty well thus far. I now have a 3 ghz Macbook Pro (17 inch) that can take upto 8 gig and so if Logic will play ball then I should actually have everything I want on one machine.

64 bit I think would be icing on the cake, ensuring that the Ram cap is suitably higher. But I can work without it if need be.

Overall I'm not so charged up about Logic 9 as I see no big improvements to the Score editor .. which it seriously needs. Seems that all they've done is incorporate stuff from Garageband into Logic. I'm sure there are some good improvements but I'm thinking it may be time for me to move on to an actual score sequencer and use Logic 8 as an audio multitrack system.

What i'd give for the boys at VSL to produce a sequencer .. man that'd be f**king sweet.

Hetoreyn
http://www.hetoreyn.com

Mac Pro 2013 - 3.5 ghz, 32 Gig RAM (Master)
27 inch iMac i5 2.7 Ghz 16 Gig RAM (Slave)


Pro-Tools 12 (Native), Mbox Pro 3
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Posted on Sun, Jul 26 2009 14:55
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1150
hetoreyn wrote:
What i'd give for the boys at VSL to produce a sequencer .. man that'd be f**king sweet.

Yup, I've been saying that for years. But, you know, now that they have an integrated mixing/reverb environment, I'd have to say that an integrated 'scoring environment' would really be the next logical step. I'll believe when I see it, of course, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. With the amount work they've obviously put into MIR I don't think anyone could say that creating a sequencer/scoring package would be "too much work." They seem to be dedicated to making the best possible experience for orchestral composition at the computer. And a score-based sequencer would really complete the picture.

J.

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