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Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 18:56
by MX582
Joined on Fri, May 08 2009, Posts 3
Anyone know if its safe to upgrade to logic 9 in regards to my vienna instruments?
Posted on Thu, Jul 23 2009 20:41
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9046

welcome MX582,

be the first to find out ;-) we (at least me) have been somehow surprised to read the news today ...

the part i loved to read is the system specs: intel processor, 10.5.7 or higher, basically what i thought will happen: no more support for PPC and 10.4.x

 

i don't read something about changes for AU, so nothing should be different with VI/VE ...

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Fri, Jul 24 2009 01:10
by MX582
Joined on Fri, May 08 2009, Posts 3
Yea i was definitely surprised to see logic 9 out today... looks awesome though. I'm gonna have to do the upgrade soon.
Posted on Mon, Jul 27 2009 21:46
by dt2080
Joined on Sun, Jun 08 2003, West Yorkshire, UK, Posts 214

Just to let you all know -

I have been playing with the Vienna Instrument and the V. Ensemble 3 on logic 9 for 3 days now - rock solid, loads actually quicker than before strangely - and although I have had 2 crashes on Logic 9 so far, it was caused by a problem with Spectrasonics plugin compatibility - not any vienna issues - so all is fine... and the program is remarkable by the way!

If anyone needs a run down of what i have found so far as far as updated features, just let me know.

Best

David Tobin

Best
David Tobin
http://www.meegan-tobin.com
Tags: Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Jul 30 2009 14:32
by DavidBuballa
Joined on Fri, Apr 03 2009, Posts 25
ja es kotzt mich an die performance von der software unter logic 8 ist praktisch so schlecht dass man doch best service samples mit dem exs benutzt. gerade jetzt versuche ich schon wieder 20minuten die instruments aufzubekommen.... tztz das ensemble geht auf aber das logic schmiert immer ab wenn ich n einzelnes instrument aufmachen will. Ich hab die software jetzt schon länger, und hab es noch nie geschafft was damit zu komponieren. n kollege hatte die gigasamples auf dem gigasampler, das war umständlich aber durchaus machbar was brauchbares zu machen.... ich wollte ja auch genau diese software kaufen, aber leider gab es die nicht mehr .... nur noch die "neue und bessere software"..hrrhrr. mein rechner ist ein 8core xeon der neusten generation mit 16gb ram, also ich weis auch nitt.... hab grad logic 9 update bestellt....4-6 Wochen noch bis ich n feedback geben kann (so lange iss die lieferzeit)

ich hoffe dann wirds benutzbar..

grüsse


David
Posted on Thu, Jul 30 2009 15:10
by DavidBuballa
Joined on Fri, Apr 03 2009, Posts 25
ok ich muss mich korrigieren: es geht nun gar nimmer auf unter logic 8 :O( auch nitt nach neustart(mit YASU alle prefs etc gelöscht, systemrights repariert...). es kommt immer ein weisses viereck ohne inhalt in den vordergrund, welches keinem programm zugehörig ist(in den tasks ist nichts zu sehen) während in logic das glücksrad des todes läuft....

1h aufwand, nix geht - ausser die ensemble software die funktioniert...

jaja letzte woche war noch ein "pro aplications update" von apple, hätte ich vieleicht lieber vermeiden sollen.

grüsse

David

Posted on Thu, Jul 30 2009 22:15
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9046

bitte arbeitssprache hier ist englisch ... und wenn dem so ist wie oben beschrieben sag ich mal ist irgendwas mit dem rechner resp, betriebssystem gar nicht in ordnung - und darum sollte man sich _vor_ einem logic update _unbedingt_ kümmern ...

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sat, Aug 01 2009 04:00
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

So far so good here as well.

Maestro2be

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 64-bit, 24GB RAM, i7 980x
Vienna MIR PRO, Vienna Instruments, Vienna Imperial, Vienna Suite Pro, Cubase 7.5.5, Presonus Studio One 4.5
Lavry DA10 DAC, RME Multiface 2, Arturia Analog Experience 61-key
Lemur Control Surface
Posted on Mon, Aug 03 2009 05:10
by nicowieditz
Joined on Tue, Apr 25 2006, GERMANY, Posts 70

Yes, it is safe to upgrade to logic 9. I am working with Logic 9 for 2 days in German and I am very happy. There are many many small improvements comparing to Logic 8 and I do not want to go back to L8.  Example: Logic crashed sometimes, so a crashed file was created, now Logic 9 first is warning you that your memory is nearly full, so you can go on working; then if your memory is full, Logic says that your memory is full and Logic is gonna be closed, BUT before that L9 gives me the chance to save the file before and opens the SAVE AS window; I love this option. Furthermore VI and VE works much better and faster under Logic 9, the first-loading time is much better than before; I am very sure that it will be optimized with SNOWLeopard. The VIENNA-team should be prepared for an 64 bit VI Engine for Intel-MAC at the same time when OSX.6SNOW will be released. The Bouncing in Logic is better and processed much cleaner than in L8. The Multiprocessor Ability in L9 is perfect. In L8 you need to group the busses to enhance the Multiprocessor Ability, now they have optimized that function, too. Be surprised of the new warped Impulses, they are so great and do not sound like a small and cheap effect impulse response like the factory impulses of Space-Designer of Logic 7 and 8.

There are many small improvements you cannot see for the first view, but during your work you will find out.

1 TIPP: If you do not need a German Manual, you can order the English Version in case you have L8 in German installed, then L9 will actualize in GERMAN Language and keeps L8 beside on your computer. Now Logic Pro in your dock is automatically L9 and under applications you will find Logic Pro (as version 9) and Logic Pro 8 (as version 8). I did that because I couldn't wait and I was not completely satisfied with L8, Now I am.

Have success.

Nico.

Logic X / Mac Pro / 12-core / 96 GB RAM / 6 TB SSD / 12 TB HDD / Mac OSX.XII
Posted on Tue, Aug 18 2009 08:20
by Beechside
Joined on Tue, Dec 02 2008, Dorking, UK, Posts 6

Logic 9 is far more stable with VSL.  Previous problems with crashes have all but disappeared.  Am about to move one of my clients to Logic 9 and he's in the middle of a huge VSL project.  Logic 9 has little new function in it for composers compared to Logic 8 but the stability is enough o persuade me to recommend it now.

Mac Pro 8-way 3.2 GHz, 24GB
Apple Certified Trainer (Logic levels 1 and 2)

Posted on Wed, Aug 19 2009 20:39
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

Pete,

Can you let us know how the move over goes for your friend and your current progress with 9?  I used it shortly and VSL seemed much better, but my other plugs didn't like it so I ended up back on 8 (have a cloned hard drive).  I don't mind using 8 but lately it's really unstable with VSL.  Plus 9 was taking way more resources then 8 for a basic job (500mb per project more) just to run it.  On a MacBookPro with 2GB RAM max, that's kind of painful.

I sure wish I could remember the exact versions before when things were rock stable (something like 10.5.6 and 8.0.2 with an older VI/VE).

Maestro2be

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 64-bit, 24GB RAM, i7 980x
Vienna MIR PRO, Vienna Instruments, Vienna Imperial, Vienna Suite Pro, Cubase 7.5.5, Presonus Studio One 4.5
Lavry DA10 DAC, RME Multiface 2, Arturia Analog Experience 61-key
Lemur Control Surface
Posted on Wed, Aug 19 2009 23:09
by nicowieditz
Joined on Tue, Apr 25 2006, GERMANY, Posts 70

All I can tell you is that there could be some problems with third-party plugs. Logic 8.02 is not more stable than L9. I am one of the lucky users who can work with the Gold Master Build of Snow Leopard 10a432 over the developer base and I would never go back to L8. I have no more memory problems and now Logic goes so fast I never thought it could happen, so I am very sure that some of your problems will be solved after changing to Snow Leopard in September. Now Vienna must release (VERY VERY IMPORTANT) the 64bit versions of VI and VE, then it should work perfectly. Logic 9 is optimized for working on Intel-Macs. If you are user of PPC-Mac you can work with L9 generally, but for working optimally you should stay with OSX.5.8 and Logic 8.0.2... but be sure that L9 is not the main reason why you would have problems with your stability, so please check all your plugs for compatibility. The memory access could be a problem....

Best,

Nico.

Logic X / Mac Pro / 12-core / 96 GB RAM / 6 TB SSD / 12 TB HDD / Mac OSX.XII
Posted on Thu, Aug 20 2009 15:34
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1026

After reading what you typed there I very much look forward to this new team (snow leaopard and logic 9).  I will be at Apple the morning of release for my copy :).

I definitely agree that 3rd party plugs will be an issue but shouldn't be for to long.  With the release of logic 9 they are I am sure already somewhat working on it.  Also, with SL right around the corner I am sure they are working towadrs their 64bit versions.  My macbook pro is an intel mac so I should be ok there.

Even with a 2GB limitation on my Macbook Pro, I will have 32GB of RAM on my VE Pro machine so I should be good to go with it's release.  Thanks for your input on this.

Maestro2be

Windows 7 Enterprise SP1 64-bit, 24GB RAM, i7 980x
Vienna MIR PRO, Vienna Instruments, Vienna Imperial, Vienna Suite Pro, Cubase 7.5.5, Presonus Studio One 4.5
Lavry DA10 DAC, RME Multiface 2, Arturia Analog Experience 61-key
Lemur Control Surface
Posted on Thu, Sep 03 2009 07:34
by Beechside
Joined on Tue, Dec 02 2008, Dorking, UK, Posts 6

Thought I'd come back to those who asked.  

Logic 9 much more stable with VI/VE.  Things seem quicker too, though that is subjective.  

Next week, I'm building a system for a client which will have Snow Leopard, Logic 9, all the usual goodies and, here's the thing that I hope will be a killer, 512 GB of SSD.  Things look very promising with it so far and I'll report on progress with that in another thread when all is well.  

I have a second client looking for a similar setup so that will be three systems I'll have built (my own and the two for my clients).  I should have a feel for everythig then.  

One thing I haven't had a chance to try out yet is the new VE Pro.  I'm going to order a copy but it's too soon to put that onto a client's machine.  Again, I'll report back when I'm done.

Pete

Mac Pro 8-way 3.2 GHz, 24GB
Apple Certified Trainer (Logic levels 1 and 2)

Posted on Tue, Sep 08 2009 10:17
by islc52
Joined on Thu, Jan 25 2007, Posts 4

I upgraded to 9 yesterday and all seemed well.  Logic 9 started, loading the last song I worked on with Logic 8.  This song contained Ivory and Spectrasonics Trilogy wrapper as well as many Vienna instruments in EXS24.

There is a problem with the Vienna instruments which use Performance Tool. These all loaded with THROUGH in the VSL part or the edit page.  Changing this manually to HorizonLegato helped with string patches, but the two wind patches were playing in the wrong octaves.  I re-installed a new download of Performance Tool, but nothing changed, so I had to defer to Logic 8 to continue my work.  All instruments worked correctly again in Logic 8.

I have filed a report to VSL and await a reply.  Anyone else had this?

Ian Lynn

MacPro 8 core 3 GHz, Digi 002R, OS 10.5.8

Posted on Mon, Sep 21 2009 16:08
by Tom23
Joined on Mon, Feb 26 2007, Miller, Posts 119

Hi,

  I recently bought an older MacPro, 2.66ghz, 16gigRAM, OSX 10.5.8 w/Ensemble interface and Logic 8.  I had been using a MacBookPro, thought the change would get rid of some of my overload/freezing problems.  Sort of does, but overloads are still rampanty in many pieces I'm working on.  So I'm very tempted to get Snow Leopard and Logic 9 & see if that doesn't smooth things out.  Most people are reporting some performance improvement with the newer set up.  Besides VI, I use Spectrasonics Ominisphere and Stylus RMX.  Wondering if anyone has a similar set up and can report on Logic 9/Snow Leopard w/ the Spectrasonics stuff.  Also wondering if there are driver issues, etc. to worry about.  

  Thanks guys.  All best.                Tom 

Posted on Mon, Sep 21 2009 17:59
by ct1961
Joined on Sat, Dec 15 2007, Posts 438

Hi Tom

With the exception of your Ensemble I'm running an identical system so will also be interested in any feedback re upgrading to Logic 9/Snow Leopard.

Hopefully it will improve performance some and make up for the fact that our "64bit" Macs will be unable to run in 64bit mode unless Apple provide our 2-3 year old antiques with a firmware upgrade.

Was looking forward to overcoming the memory limitation with VE Pro but we now appear to be at the mercy of Apple- I'm sure they'd rather we bought a new machine. Sad

Colin

Posted on Mon, Sep 21 2009 19:08
by Tom23
Joined on Mon, Feb 26 2007, Miller, Posts 119

Colin,  I remember talking to you when I was considering "updating" to my MacPro.  Will check with Spectrasonics to make sure there are no upgrade problems with them.  Assuming it's okay, I'll try Logic 9/Snow Leopard.  Every little bit of performance improvement helps...I guess.

         Cheers,     Tom

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 05:59
by nicowieditz
Joined on Tue, Apr 25 2006, GERMANY, Posts 70

I am working with Spectrasonics, L9 and OSX.6 for 1 month. I got seed-build 432A and bought L9 in English. Due to my L8 was in German, L9 was installing German version with English DVD. So I have no good news concerning your performance situation. L8 is working more stable with Spectrasonics than L9, especially Omnisphere needs much memory. NOW Stylus works great after updating to 1.90e, so I can use the tripple of instances than before. I am sure that spectrasonics is working beside Trillian on a Snow-Leopard-ready version for Omnisphere. Trillian is a real 64-bit machine coming in october 2009.

Nico.

Logic X / Mac Pro / 12-core / 96 GB RAM / 6 TB SSD / 12 TB HDD / Mac OSX.XII
Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2009 22:50
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724
ct1961 wrote:

Was looking forward to overcoming the memory limitation with VE Pro but we now appear to be at the mercy of Apple- I'm sure they'd rather we bought a new machine. 

No waiting or mercy needed. VE Pro runs fine even under Leopard in 64-bit on any Core2Duo or more recent Intel Mac. In fact, it will run in 64-bit even on PPC, even if we don't officially support it.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
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