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Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 15:21
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Italy, Posts 652

I have just bought MIR and now I am interested in buying Sibelius 6,

I had a look at the Sibelius and Vienna Ensemble  tutorial video

May I use MIR instead of Vienna Ensemble to get the same results?

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2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
Studio One 4.1 Pro, Notion 6.5, Sibelius 6.2, Kontakt 5.6
VE Pro 6, VI Pro 2, Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR Pro w/Roompacks 1 and 2,
Libraries (preload size 2408): Special Edition Standard and Plus, Appassionata I, Solo Strings I, Dimension Brass, Percussion, Soprano Choir, Upright Bass, Flugelhorn, Saxophones, Concert guitar, Jazz Drums, Epic Orchestra, Dimension Strings
Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 17:54
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

Do you plan on running MIR and Sibelius on the same machine?  If so I hope it's insanely powerful because Sibelius is a CPU hog and doesn't allow you to freeze tracks to conserve CPU usage.

From everything I see and hear you will get better results using MIR but you will need the horsepower to do it, or a dedicated machine with a dedicated audio interface.

If I owned what you say you own, I would be using MIR, not VE.  Even if that meant I had to buy another second cheap machine to run Sibelius on.

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 18:26
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Italy, Posts 652

The problem is, with vienna Ensemble I could open more than one Vienna istance for more than 16 instruments.

But with MIR that is absurd because all the instruments must be on one and only stage. So, is this the same with MIR?:

"More than one Vienna Ensemble

If you want to use more than 16 instruments or different collections (and therefore different Sound Sets) at the same time, you will need more than one instance of Vienna Ensemble. To do that, simply activate Vienna Ensemble more than once from the available devices. Check Use Manual Sound Set "

www.sergiobrunetti.it
Windows 10 on Vertex4 SSD - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X - 32 GB RAM -
2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
Studio One 4.1 Pro, Notion 6.5, Sibelius 6.2, Kontakt 5.6
VE Pro 6, VI Pro 2, Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR Pro w/Roompacks 1 and 2,
Libraries (preload size 2408): Special Edition Standard and Plus, Appassionata I, Solo Strings I, Dimension Brass, Percussion, Soprano Choir, Upright Bass, Flugelhorn, Saxophones, Concert guitar, Jazz Drums, Epic Orchestra, Dimension Strings
Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 20:44
by Chris Hesketh
Joined on Thu, Jun 09 2005, Posts 38

 Hi Sergino,

I run MIR with sibelius and it works just fine with my setup. However I run MIR and sibelius on separate PC's and communicate using MOL.

Looking at the specs for your computer I recommend you buy yourself an intel I7 PC, either a Intel Quad-Core i7-920 or something more powerful like a Dual Intel Quad core XEON 5520, depending on your budget. I don't think MIR will work under a Mac OS. MIR is such a processor hungry beast I wouldn't even want to try running Sibelius and MIR on the same machine, let alone try running multiple instances of MIR. Just loading up one hall profile takes up to about 4 GB of memory.

I've had no problems using the Sibelius soundsets I downloaded from the VSL website with MIR.

- Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset
- GSkill 24GB (6x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Memory
- (Quad-Core)Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache LGA1366
- WESTERN DIGITAL VelociRaptor 150GB SATA2 16MB WD1500HLFS and Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII
- PCI RME HDSP 9652, 3 x ADAT optical I/O
Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 21:21
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Italy, Posts 652

Thank you Chris for your replay, but I have to say that I know MIR very well as I was a Beta Tester just like you.

I don't need any Intel I7 as MIR runs very well on my PC, I only have to set the latency high, but it doesn't bother me for now.

My answer is not about MIR but about Sibelius that I don't know as I am a Finale user.

So, is it possible with Sibelius 6 to open just one and only MIR istance with more than 16 instruments?

www.sergiobrunetti.it
Windows 10 on Vertex4 SSD - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X - 32 GB RAM -
2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
Studio One 4.1 Pro, Notion 6.5, Sibelius 6.2, Kontakt 5.6
VE Pro 6, VI Pro 2, Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR Pro w/Roompacks 1 and 2,
Libraries (preload size 2408): Special Edition Standard and Plus, Appassionata I, Solo Strings I, Dimension Brass, Percussion, Soprano Choir, Upright Bass, Flugelhorn, Saxophones, Concert guitar, Jazz Drums, Epic Orchestra, Dimension Strings
Posted on Thu, Aug 13 2009 21:41
by Chris Hesketh
Joined on Thu, Jun 09 2005, Posts 38

 Sorry, I thought i recognised your name from somewhere Embarrassed

I have never tried opening MIR as an instance within Sibelius. I use Midi over Lan software to send my midi signals to MIR. I've created about 5 virtual midi ports via MOL. Each port has 16 virtual midi channels. Then within Sibelius I've assigned a different sound set to each port. For example I've assigned the sound set VE Woodwinds + Brass to the virtual port 1 and solo strings to port 2 etc..

- Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset
- GSkill 24GB (6x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Memory
- (Quad-Core)Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache LGA1366
- WESTERN DIGITAL VelociRaptor 150GB SATA2 16MB WD1500HLFS and Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII
- PCI RME HDSP 9652, 3 x ADAT optical I/O
Posted on Mon, Aug 24 2009 19:20
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 770

Chris,

I'm thinking of going down the two PC route. I know i will need Windows 7 64bit for the MIR machine but can I continue to use XP 32 bit for the Sibelius machine?

Also did you build your own machine or did you use a specialist company to build the DAW?

Sorry, also do I need a soundcard for each machine?

David Carter https://sorabjiorchestralmusic.wordpress.com/
https://www.youtube.com/...UCoEithAEjsd4IBViwsfQFwQ

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro7, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Mon, Aug 24 2009 20:20
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

You can definitely use 32-bit with Sibelius with no issues.  All you are sending out is midi information to the MIR machine.  After that the MIR machine needs somewhere to go with the processed audio signals (DAC, DAW, etc).  64-bit will only really benefit you more on the MIR machine.  Besides, is Sibelius even 64-bit?

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Mon, Aug 24 2009 20:31
by Chris Hesketh
Joined on Thu, Jun 09 2005, Posts 38

Hi Dave,

You should be fine running Sibelius on XP 32bit, thats what I use. I purchased my MIR computer via CyberPowerSystems and then upgraded the memory from 4Gb to 12Gb and installed an RME Hammerfall DSP soundcard myself.  I also purchased my DAW/ Sibelius machine via CyberPowerSystems a year earlier, the specs are: AMD Athelon 64 Dual Core Processor 5200+, 2Gb of ram. 

CyberPowerSystems are not a specialist company for buildng DAWs, but I have found their pricess to be very reasonable.

I have installed an RME Hammerfall DSP soundcard in my DAW/Sibelius machine also and I route the audio via ADAT from my MIR machine back to my DAW computer and record the results within Cubase. I've also installed an RME analogue audio out expansion card for my Hammerfall card in my DAW machine so I can hear the results via my Monitors.

You will certainly need a soundcard in your MIR machine, I'd recommend one of the RME ASIO sound cards. MIR does not stream audio via the network like Vienna Ensemble 3.

I've had some good results with this setup

I hope this helps

Chris

- Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset
- GSkill 24GB (6x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Memory
- (Quad-Core)Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache LGA1366
- WESTERN DIGITAL VelociRaptor 150GB SATA2 16MB WD1500HLFS and Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII
- PCI RME HDSP 9652, 3 x ADAT optical I/O
Posted on Tue, Aug 25 2009 18:24
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 770

Thanks for that info chris.

If all the mixing is done in MIR wy can't MIR record the output?

Apart from recording what additional work is done in cubase?

David Carter https://sorabjiorchestralmusic.wordpress.com/
https://www.youtube.com/...UCoEithAEjsd4IBViwsfQFwQ

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro7, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Wed, Aug 26 2009 14:52
by Chris Hesketh
Joined on Thu, Jun 09 2005, Posts 38
DaveTubaKing wrote:

If all the mixing is done in MIR wy can't MIR record the output?

 May be VSL will expand the functionality of MIR in the future so that it will do this.

DaveTubaKing wrote:

Apart from recording what additional work is done in cubase?

 

 

I use cubase to master my music, using various VST plugins including the Vienna Suite.

- Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset
- GSkill 24GB (6x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Memory
- (Quad-Core)Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache LGA1366
- WESTERN DIGITAL VelociRaptor 150GB SATA2 16MB WD1500HLFS and Samsung SpinPoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB Hard Drive SATAII
- PCI RME HDSP 9652, 3 x ADAT optical I/O
Posted on Sat, Feb 06 2010 00:41
by jjim1
Joined on Tue, Dec 13 2005, woodstock, ga 30188, Posts 52

Hello Chris,

I'm need some help in setting up VePro on slave communicating to PC via mol.

Have you got time to give me some help in how that is done?

Thanks,

Jim F.

Posted on Sat, Feb 06 2010 14:23
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3514

Hi Jim!

You don't need MIDI over LAN with Vienna Ensemble Pro.

Also take a look at this thread:
http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/23515.aspx

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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