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MIR Demo "ET - Adventures on Earth"
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Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 16:14
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

I'm very happy to announce the first official MIR demo produced with our final MIR release.

http://vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1687/455/1716/1324.htm

John Williams wonderful score for ET "Adventures on Earth" performed, conducted and mixed by Jay Bacal.

I think it's another milestone in Jay's oeuvre and of course also a milestone for music production based on VSL.

Thanks a lot Jay!

Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 17:13
by stoecklmayer
Joined on Tue, Jan 08 2008, Stuttgart, Posts 60

 great thing :)

how can i open the mir tutorial files ?

mir says that it cant open them

Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 17:45
by Simsy
Joined on Mon, May 21 2007, Posts 385

Hi

The MIR files won't open for me either. Can I ask why there are seperate MIR files for each section? Did you have to bounce each section by themselves?

Also, Jay what channel do you use to control velocity x-fade, it would be good to see how you draw your curves?

Thanks

P.S. Sounds great by the way!!!!

Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 17:53
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Thanks Jay! This is really getting me exciting on MIR now that I've heard a demo that does justice to it.

I love the spatial sound, it makes it so much more real and enjoyable! You're the master! :)

I will start using it very soon, was it  tricky at start?

Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 18:29
by veetguitar
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 168

The room impression is mindblowing!

Has to be heard with closed eyes.

P.S: Of the course the music and the realization is also top quality.

website: veetguitar.de
Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 18:33
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1656

I am with Guy on this.  While to date my feelings have been generally 'uneccesary' - I can get a decent enough 'mix' with current setup and workflow.   This brilliant demo by Jay - is making me rethink this and considering MIR.

It is the equipment and learning curve that scares me the most - honestly.   Jay - what was that experience (both software and equipment) - can you give us some details.

Many thanks.

Rob

what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 18:59
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

 As far as I know, Jay splitted the sections because of lack of RAM

we'll look at it, if we can merge the project to a masterfile - of course you would need a very, very powerful machine to run this project at once,

also we will check if there is any compatibility problem with the MIR project files, maybe this is caused, because Jay started working with a MIR betaversion

best

Herb

Posted on Sat, Sep 19 2009 22:13
by Brian
Joined on Mon, Apr 23 2007, Posts 185

Congratulations Jay! Cool This is truely a remarkable demo for MIR.  I am now considering MIR because of this, but still need to hear more demos like this to absolutely sure.  The tempo seems a bit slow for me, as I'm use to JW's original soundtrack recording, but you did a magnificant job.  I think sometimes people forget how hard it is to do a convincing mockup of an existing well known piece, and you're brilliant at that.  This is a big step forward for MIR compared to the other demos. Smile

-Brian

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 09:37
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763
Brian -


asking for an AltiVerb-version is like saying "Bake another cake like this one, without sugar and cream, but make it taste the same". 8-)


Joking apart: MIR isn't just a reverb you throw at any given source. It is a complete, highly spezialized and "intelligent" mixing engine for Vienna Instruments. The good news is that you don't have to wait for the next demo. Just download your two-weeks free trial of MIR and get your own impression!


BTW - regarding the tempo of the "Adventures": As far as I know Jay referred to a version conducted by Williams himself, so it might be a matter of taste. But you could take the MIDI-tutorials and do the piece in a tempo of your liking, though. ;-)


Kind regards,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 09:47
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Brian wrote:

P.S. What I'd really love to hear is an Altiverb version (up to the same tempo as the orginial soundtrack recording) and a MIR version with the same tempo compared to the original soundtrack recording.  Hearing all three together right next to each other would be really enlightening.

 

I haven't checked, but as Jay normally provides a tutorial, it should be very easy to pick a section and do your own mix.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 09:55
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

My bad......................!

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 14:05
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995
Dietz wrote:

Can we also download a PC computer for mac users? Wink

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 14:38
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763
Yep - its's called Bootcamp and Windows Vista, AFAIK ;-)
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 18:10
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Okay, oaky, you win. Angry

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 19:33
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9117

better get windows 7 rather than vista if audio drivers are available/working (for video all ATI drivers work nicely on W7).

all drivers compatible to vista SP1 will also work for windows 7

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 21:57
by stoecklmayer
Joined on Tue, Jan 08 2008, Stuttgart, Posts 60

 ^^ i love mir :)

okay but why wont the open in mir... i mean the demo files :) ?

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 22:06
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Actually I'm on the verge of acquiring a PC. The alternative solution as you mentioned seemed to awkward for me, which I had already attempted, but It could be because I'm not very good with these things.

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 22:27
by stoecklmayer
Joined on Tue, Jan 08 2008, Stuttgart, Posts 60

 i am using a nehalem macpro with windows 7, it works

Posted on Sun, Sep 20 2009 22:40
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

But for me the question wasn't if it would work or not, it was more, will I benefit the max from it. And from what I had read, it seems you don't, and for more massive projects and orchestration I didn't want to have that hurdle.

Posted on Mon, Sep 21 2009 00:05
by Brian
Joined on Mon, Apr 23 2007, Posts 185
Dietz wrote:
Brian -

Thanks Dietz!  I love you guys! Smile I love how uncompromising VSL is!  I love how you guys decide to do something, and it just doesn't matter if anyone else has every attempted it or thought of it, you guys are going find a way to make it happen.  I love that.  Thank God you guys are out there to combat against the cinematic product drive ("monkey at a keyboard mentality") of some other sample libraries.  I believe in the VSL mission, to make the most realistic sounding sampled orchestra.  I believe VSL has the most talented team possible for that goal.  That's why I'm with you guys for the long hall (pun intended Smile).  MIR is definitely 100% true to the spirit of VSL, its uncompromising and groundbreaking.  MIR is absolutely the most advanced reverb/mixing software ever built period.  I have no doubt it will be the new standard to which all other convolution reverbs will have to reckon with at some point.  Throw in VE PRO on top of all this, and it just adds that much more to the reason why you guys are my go to company for sampled orchestra products.

However, as revolutionary as MIR is, the first two video demos were....to be honest....disappointing.  It's just the sound wasn't as revolutionary as I knew the product itself was.  If only Jay's demo had been the first demo then I probably wouldn't have my current mental block against MIR, and feel the need for direct comparisons with Altiverb all the time. Jay's demo really proves the realistic room quality of MIR.  The room sounds practically real, Altiverb can't touch that.  However, I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something more realistically satisfying with the timbre of the instruments in Jay's Rite of Spring with Altiverb compared to the E.T. MIR demo.  I would like to try MIR myself to test this, but then I'd have to buy Windows Vista to do so, not to mention buy a whole new $1600 computer to run the same size orchestra as my current setup.  So then to buy MIR is another roughly $1000.  So in my mind MIR needs to sound $2600 better than Altiverb for me to break out the bucks at this moment.  In fact, its probably worse than that, because I'd feel better thinking MIR is $3600 better than Altiverb, and that I'm getting it for a deal by only paying $2600.

I see MIR like Frankenstein.  You guys created the monster, but I'm willing to bet that you're still learning things about your Frankenstein.  Even though you are the current experts, I think you guys are going to be better experts on MIR in a couple of years than you are right now.  In the future, when every one else is just starting to get on the multiple-impulse response train, you guys are going to be so far ahead of them.  So in a couple of years when it comes to doing a major upgrade and I'm looking at Altiverb 7 or MIR, I'll probably go with MIR.  I'm not quite ready to buy right now, but you never know if you keep putting out demos like Jay's....I might change my mind. Wink Still, no matter what I'm with you guys for the long haul, and I can't wait to hear future updates and demos! Smile  I love you guys! Stick out tongue

-Brian

P.S. You're right Dietz, there isn't always a right and wrong tempo in music...it is an art after all, but would someone please listen to track 17 (about 4:25 in) on the E.T. original soundtrack recording and tell me they like the slower tempo better.....honestly.....you like slower tempo....really???? Wink

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