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Last post Wed, Feb 10 2010 by Derek Remes, 25 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 13:55
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

I am trying to set up my template in Logic 9 but I am having some issues.  If I use a new blank template all seems fine, but on my large current template I am getting a fair amount of crashing however the bigger problem is that I seem to have to unload many exs's etc... to get the VE PRO ensemble to see the server on my main machine.  If I do not lighten up my template the VE PRO ensemble does not see any server connections available on my local machine.

Any idea how to solve this?

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 14:14
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

Sounds like you are running very close to the RAM limit for Logic. How much does it use currently?

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 14:15
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

What are all of your specifications hardware and software wise?

Logic 9 does something new compared to 8.  It loves to crash and shut down if you push to hard against your memory limit.  Unlike 8 that would just get sluggish as hell.  What is your system resources when you are loading up all of this at once?

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 15:10
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

I have it down well below 2 gigs and the virtual memory below 3.2 gigs.  The big excitement about VE PRO was so I could reduce L9 memory footprint drastically be replacing heavy RAM using plugs and put them inside VE PRO.

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 15:26
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

Also worth mentioning........ WHen I installed VE PRO last night L9.01 became so slow and the graphics were unbelievably sluggish.  I ended up having to restore my drive from a superduper backup clone.

I reinstalled after that and all seemed to be basically working.  Now this morning I ran the L9 updater to L9.01 since be going back to the superduper copy I was again back at L9.0.  Now after updating L9.01 can not initialize the loop browser at startup so I am once again restoring from the superduper copy..... not fun.  Don't know if this is related to VE PRO or not.

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 15:28
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

My hardware is a MAC Pro 8 core.... not the latest about 1 1/2 years old with 18 gigs of RAM.  The only other software that is pertinant as I test this is L9 and midi overlan.

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 15:35
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

Congrats, everyone at VSL seem to have run into the same issue regarding the loopbrowser stalling Logic on startup.

To solve it, please remove the files "bomread" and "LogicLoopBrowser" from the Logic 9.app/Contents/Frameworks/LogicLoopBrowser.framework. Then restart Logic. Then put these files back again. No idea what is going on there, but since we've seen at least 3 issues of this internally, looks to be a major issue.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 15:40
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

I have the same issue on my macbook pro with logic 9.0.1 and OS X 10.6.1.  I will try the above fix too.

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 16:17
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

Good to here you have identified the loop browser problem.

I am getting the hang of VE PRO, but I am definitely unable to add any more VE PRO instances successfully in my large template.  No servers show up when I try to add additional VE PRO and then it crashes Logic.  PLease advise as I can not really thin out my template much further without it becoming unproductive.

Thanks,
Danny

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 16:37
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1762

If you have any crashes in Logic, please send them to - or attach them here in the forum, I will have a look at it.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 17:19
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9117

currently file attaching is enabled for moderators and betatesters only

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 17:30
by Jack Weaver
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Tucson, AZ, Posts 391

I haven’t downloaded VE Pro yet and am appreciating from a distance all that you guys are going through. As soon as my new slave computer shows up I’ll be going through the process. Maybe there will be a bug fix version for Mac by that time.

dp-

Regarding Logic’s RAM usage, you might want to open up an instance of EXS 24 and go to the ‘Options’ button in the upper right hand corner and click on it. Go to ‘Virtual Memory’ and select ‘On, optimized for AU SI instances’. That should give you a bit more memory overhead for AU software instruments other than EXS 24 – like VE Pro. This option is available in Logic 9 and 9.0.1.

HTH

.

Mac Master:
2010 Mac Pro 12-core. 3.46GHz, 64 GB RAM, OSX 10.12.3, Logic Pro X 10.3.1 ,VEP5, SSD system drive, etc.

PC Slave:
12-core e5650, 48 GB RAM, Win7, MIR Pro/VEP5, SSD system drive
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 17:56
by dlpmusic
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Posts 286

I actually did that just now..... maybe it will help a bit.

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 19:11
by john_1332
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Posts 109

I also have the hang on Loop Browser problem, and I fixed it by using Time Machine and grabbing Logic 9 from August.  I'm now going to try to update to 9.0.1 again and try the fix above.

Another questions:  how do I get extra midi channels into VE Pro, beyond the 16 in the multi-instrument?  In rewire they usually show up in the right pane browser, but they're not showing up for me for Vienna Ensemble.  In Pro Tools they appeared automatically.  Is there something obvious I'm missing?

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 20:30
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

Martin, I cannot locate those files you speak of.  not even in a search.  Can you type out the exact location of them please?  I am having other issues too but I want to handle things one at a time.

Thanks!

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 20:34
by john_1332
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Posts 109

I can help here:  right click on the actual Logic Application.  Select "Show Package Contents"  The files are in there. 

It worked for me to take them out, start application and replace them.  Then I quit and started a second time with no problem.

Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 21:01
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

Thanks John.  That worked as far as pointing me to the folder.  Inside of it is actually the bomread file, and a "shortcut" to the logicloopbrowser file.

I took them both out of the directory.  Restarted Logic.  Put the files back in, restarted logic and it didn't do anything.  It still had the same slow loading and hanging on loop browser module.  I notice you used the word "replace".  I didn't replace anything, I simply put the same old ones back in the folder.  Did you actually "replace" something?

I did notice the actual LogicLoopBrowser file a few folders deeper in.  Removed that and restarted and it didn't like that at all.  So I put it back and it's exactly as it was initially.  Slow long loading time hanging at the loop loading module.

What knucklehead thing did I do wrong lol?

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Thu, Sep 24 2009 21:25
by john_1332
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Posts 109

It might be a small thing, but when I took them out I placed them in the trashcan.  Then I started Logic, it made it past the Loop Browser, I opened a blank session, then I took the two files out of the trash and put them back in their proper folder.  Quit Logic, started again with no problem.

I think if you just put them on the desktop the program still sees them somehow.  The trashcan is a program "no fly" zone.

Posted on Fri, Sep 25 2009 00:54
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

Well drats I tried that as well and it did nothing.  I get past the loop browser window but it takes 20-30 seconds of sitting there before it goes away.

Any other ideas VSL team :)?

Thanks!

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
RME Multiface 2, All NVMe SSD Drives (OS & Samples)
Posted on Fri, Sep 25 2009 16:34
by scorefrog
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 62
Ok here we go I've found an alterntive solution to the "Loop Browser" problem.


If you have a Time Machine Backup of the Program Folder with Logic 9.0.0 or any Logic 9.0.0 flying around that should work:



1) Open Logic 9.0.0 with ctrl+Mousclick, show packages and go to
contents/Frameworks/LogicLoopBrowser.framework/Versiones/A and copy that File "LogicLoopBrowser" to the desktop
2) Open Logic 9.0.1 (the updated version)and go to the same place
contents/Frameworks/LogicLoopBrowser.framework/Versiones/A 3) Replace the file "LogicLoopBrowser" of Logic 9.0.1 with the older "LoopBrowser" file from Logic 9.0.0 you copied to the desktop


Its not necesary to copy the file to the desktop of course. I only put that additional step in between in order to make the instruction better understandable. The point is to replace the new corrupted Logic 9.0.1 Loop Browser File with a working one from the old version. After that Logic 9.0.1 starts quickly again. I hope this is without any side effects (-;


cheers,

Alex
Mac Pro 5.1 (mid 2010) Quad core / 48 GB RAM / El Capitan 10.11.6 / Velocity Duo PCIe Card with two 500 GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD mounted/ 2 Slave PC with Win 7 and 16 GB RAM each / Logic 9.1.3 / Cubase 6.5
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