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VE Pro and midi within Logic
Last post Fri, Oct 02 2009 by Nick Batzdorf, 23 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 07:19
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

OK 

Got everything working except for 1 thing..... 

I'm running VE Pro on my host machine, alongside my DAW (Logic 9) 
For the life of me I can't figure out how to address more than 16 midi channels within 1 VE pro........ 

The only way I can get midi to work is to create a multi-instrument in the environment, with port set to "none" and a cable going directly to the software instrument.... 

This is not mentioned in manual...... 

TO BE CLEAR:

Where in Logic do all those available midi ports from VE Pro show up? Thanx in advance (btw software is very slick...great job!)

SvK

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 07:56
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

This question has been answered many times on this forum, so I suggest that you have a good read so that we don't have to type the information a million times.

However, in short, if you use Logic there are only 16 channels for VE Pro instance. This is due to the AU spec. If you use VST or RTAS you don't have this limitation.

DG

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Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 08:08
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

DG....thanx for swift reply.......

Then why doesn't Vienna include an "IAC" option? That would work.....

SvK

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 08:14
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

Because of timing issues. We might look into doing such a thing, but timing accuracy will indeed be a problem.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 08:28
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

Hi Martin.......

So this 16 channel limitation in Logic 9 will also effect a VE Pro instance coming from a slave computer? Because right now my slave PC is running a VE2 instance with 40+ mdi channels......using midi over lan and lightpipe...

thanx again,

SvK

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 08:52
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

What use is a 64 bit host if it can only access 16 midi channels?
Chances are with that few midi channels , you won't get past the 3.5 gig RAM anyway.......

Now in order to reconstruct that ONE winds / brass template on my slave PC.....I would need to run FIVE VE pro instances....

ohhhhhhhhh maaaaaannnnnnnnn

such beautiful well thought out software, and who doesn't get to use it properly? LOGIC users. The MOST used daw for TV / Film

siiighhhh

SvK

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 08:59
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

I mean you have made an awesome piece of software...Stunning in fact......I mean do you guys not want apple users? Why, do we always get the short end of the stick from Vienna? It breaks my heart.....

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 09:08
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

I don't get what you mean. Do you expect VSL to magically change the AU plugin format and recode Logic?

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 09:17
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

I expect you to find a work around...If that means including an IAC option for MAC users that makes timing suffer a tad (midi over lan's latency is just fine)...so be it. 

best,

SvK

ps: The software is really, really great. That's why I'm so upset ;-)

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 09:30
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

Latency and timing are two different things. We will do our best to make the product as good as possible for all platforms.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 11:29
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

Folllowing this discussion and realizing the problems for Logic people, I just went ahead and implemented support for external midi ports while in server mode. Timing will not be as tight as when using plugin midi, and of course offline bouncing will not work - but otherwise it plays and works fine.

The next update will include this functionality.

Thanks,

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 14:17
by stevenson_17312
Joined on Sun, Oct 30 2005, Posts 17

i don't quite get this:

when we use bidule the midi ports turn up in logic. why does this not work here? same thing with rewire, we can have bidule rewire for midi and have loads of ports and therefore channels....

so presumably what we need to be able to do is run VST plugs in logic. if we could run the plugs as VST would we then have the midi ports?

Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 14:52
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760
MS wrote:

Folllowing this discussion and realizing the problems for Logic people, I just went ahead and implemented support for external midi ports while in server mode. Timing will not be as tight as when using plugin midi, and of course offline bouncing will not work - but otherwise it plays and works fine.

The next update will include this functionality.

To continue this discussion with myself, I have also found a way to get around the timing issues. Looks like this is a nice solution after all.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 14:57
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 546
On behalf of Logic users everywhere, thank you Martin for going the extra mile.

I think this software is a game changer and I will be doing a tutorial on using it with Logic Pro 9 in my upcoming book, "Going Pro With Logic Pro 9."
Composer, Logic Pro Certified Trainer, author of "Jumpstart Logic Pro 10.6 " & "Scoring WIth Logic Pro"
www.jayasher.com

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Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:03
by skatz
Joined on Thu, Mar 20 2008, Posts 22
Thank you so much, Martin (and the whole VSL development team). This really should help many, many users. It's always the mark of a good company that listens to it's clients.
Mac Pro Late 2013 12x2.7
64GB RAM
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Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:05
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

Always glad to help!

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:06
by stevenson_17312
Joined on Sun, Oct 30 2005, Posts 17

that's great!

so no offline bounce but solid timing? 

how easy is it to set up?

when do you think an update might materialize?

any issues you can foresee?

Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:10
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1760

so no offline bounce but solid timing? 

Right

how easy is it to set up?

Start server just like you do now, insert the plugin - then choose "IAC midi", "MidiOverLAN" or whatever midi you intend to use inside VE Pro as input port, and create an external midi track in Logic. Very simple.

when do you think an update might materialize?

Days.

any issues you can foresee?

Not at the moment.

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:16
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

Martin.....

Thanx so much, This is still a great leap forward for mac users, as we can say goodbye to audio cards on slaves and having to run insane amounts of the app. Your App truly is a milestone...Thanx!

sincerely,

SvK

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2009 15:23
by scorefrog
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 62
I wnated to Thank you aswell Martin! As I already stated: It's not only the way you react to so many individual wishes but as well the amazing SPEED whith which you managed to do that! I'm really impressed. (now I'm again rethinking on staying with my loved logic instead of having to get Cubase and start all the setup from scratch)
Mac Pro 5.1 (mid 2010) Quad core / 48 GB RAM / El Capitan 10.11.6 / Velocity Duo PCIe Card with two 500 GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD mounted/ 2 Slave PC with Win 7 and 16 GB RAM each / Logic 9.1.3 / Cubase 6.5
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