How to get the release samples on Orch Strings & Appass Strings

[KMuzzey]

Hi guys,

I'm having a problem with something because I'm trying to work with the orch strings & appass strings in a very dry setting -- minimal altiverb on this stuff.

I don't get the sound of a release sample. On all of my strings, when you release the key the ending is so abrupt that it's actually a bit of a sucking sound - like a vacuum. It sounds very synthy. In my VI Player, the "play release" button is toggled on.  I can always adjust the release time in the Patch window itself, but that makes the strings sound less authentic.  So the question is: How do I eliminate that sucking sound (which also occurs if I have to repeat a note quickly, like a bow change - I get the sucking sound between notes) and get something more realistic?

Kerry

[Maya]

Hey KMuzzey,

hmmm, I find that the release samples are clearly hearable when I turn them on and off (please try the strings legato samples for e.g.). Try to set your release slider (in "Perform control") to default value = 50. Does this help?

/Regards,

Maya

[KMuzzey]

They're all set to the default release of 50... unfortunately when I'm not using much reverb, it leaves a very fast release/sucking sound at the end of each note.  I suppose I can just up the release time a bit to take the edge off.   But when a note is repeated very quickly (like if you're playing a Bb, hold for a few counts, then quickly restrike the Bb) rather than get a repeated or re-bowed note, I get that sucking vacuum sound between the notes that sounds very synthy.  This isn't anything new, it's just more noticeable to me now that I'm trying to do something with very minimal reverb on it.   Is there a way to get the restruck note to sound like a re-bowing of that note vs. a re-struck note?

Thanks Maya,

Kerry

[Mahlon]

 Try switching to the performance repetition samples when you need to strike the same note twice. They are made for this very purpose. If you need a longer held note for the second one, you might set up a patch where, once you've struck the performance repetition sample, you crossfade into a sustain.

Another idea is to layer patches to hide the sucking sound --- say a marcato with slightly modifie (less) attack layered over the sustain.

Mahlon

[KMuzzey]

Yeah, I was trying to avoid switching to the perf_rep samples (it'll be a lot of keyswitching in this cue) but I think that's gonna be the only way around this.   If I could make one VSL-related wish, it would be that perf-rep was built into the legato patches!

[Paul]

Hello KMuzzey,

that would be one hell of a BIG patch. There are also so many options with the Performance Repetitions (legato, portamento, staccato....) that it will always be hard to pick the right one (we ar still working on that mind-reader).

But you can always add Repetitions in any matrix of yours, so you can switch between them comfortably.

There is an automatic repetition (designed for legato repetitions) implemented in each Performance Legato, btw, best played with a pressed sustain pedal. Of course there are limits with "just" one repetition.

But times are changing quickly, let´s see how we can make the Vienna Instruments even more flexible!

Best,

Paul

[KMuzzey]

Hey Paul,

That's what I'm looking for! The automatic repetition for legato repetitions.  How exactly do I trigger that?  That's exactly what I need... and only the one repetition as well.     Does holding down the sustain pedal trigger the legato repetition sample, or is it a setting within the VI?  

Kerry

[Paul]

Hi Kerry,

well, you repeat a note and hold the sustain pedal while you re-trigger it, so that the transition is as smooth as possible.

If you trigger a repeated note within a certain time frame, you will get a repetition note (NOT a "normal" sustain note that has to "start again").

Best,

Paul