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VE PRO & Logic 9 - AU automation
Last post Fri, Nov 20 2009 by Ashermusic, 18 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Nov 11 2009 15:54
by Wim Dijkgraaf
Joined on Sat, Jun 06 2009, Posts 65
For some reason, I can't find any information about how to setup AU automation with VE PRO and Logic 9.

What I would like to accomplish is to map the Logic Mixer to the faders in VE PRO (e.g. to be able to use automation data from Logic to automate the VE Pro channelstrips). It seems to me that I've to use AU automation but I'm not sure. And if yes, don't know how to do the setup.

Thanks for your reply in advance,

Wim Dijkgraaf
composer & improviser
http://www.myspace.com/wimdijkgraaf
Posted on Wed, Nov 11 2009 16:48
by hazza
Joined on Mon, Jun 13 2005, London, Posts 36

Hi Wim

If you switch on automation pull down the list of plugin parameters for the VE Pro AU, you will see a list of things you can automate. Ch1 is the 1st mixer object (on the left) in your VE Pro instance. You can automate fader level, pan and sends.

Cheers

Harry

Posted on Wed, Nov 11 2009 19:10
by Wim Dijkgraaf
Joined on Sat, Jun 06 2009, Posts 65
Hi Harry,

As simple as that ... . It's because the terminologie "AU automation" is used as a VE PRO feature, but this term is not mentioned explicitely in the Logic Manual as such.

After hours of searching and reading, your 3 sentence reply was what I was looking for.

Thanks a lot,

Wim
Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2009 00:06
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

I'm using Vienna Ensemble - not the Pro version.

It seems that there are no such parameters to Automate in Logic. Am I correct?

Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2009 08:15
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724
musos wrote:

I'm using Vienna Ensemble - not the Pro version.

It seems that there are no such parameters to Automate in Logic. Am I correct?

Correct.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2009 11:03
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

Thanks for the quick reply Martin.

Are there plans to add such features to VE or is this a hint that I must buy VE Pro?

Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2009 11:06
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724

I believe automation will remain exclusive for VE Pro.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2009 14:00
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

Thanks Martin.

I see there is a special offer from VSL until 30 November - Buy Vienna Suite + VE Pro and get a free download instrument.

I already bought Vienna Suite when it was first released. Do I still qualify for the special if I now buy VE Pro?

Posted on Sat, Nov 14 2009 15:12
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

Another question:

When VE Pro hosts a 3rd party plugin eg Omnisphere, can we still use Logic's automation features for parameters within that plugin, or is this function lost?

Posted on Sat, Nov 14 2009 17:45
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724

Automation of hosted 3rd party plugin parameters is not possible, but any MIDI automation of course works.

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Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2009 15:03
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 537
But if you you are bringing in the audio into Logic Pro i.e on auxes, you can automate the auxes with host based automation, correct Martin?
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Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2009 15:56
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

Ashermusic:

You could certainly do this, but it would only effect ( affect?) the actual audio coming in to Logic or whatever host is used.

I was more concerned with automation of Plugin parameters, for example automating filters, internal pan/send/fx parameters etc. It seems that this will not be possible using VE PRO.

Unless I am misunderstanding......

Martin, you say MIDI can be sent. So, could one use (for example) the MIDI learn feature in Omnisphere or Stylus RMX to receive MIDI data and thereby automate plugin parameters?

Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2009 17:00
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173
You can send any MIDI to your connected VE Pro instance, so MIDI learn can indeed be used to automate plugin parameters. Also, volume, pan and the first 4 send sliders can be automated on the first 64 channel strips of the connected VE Pro instance using regular parameter automation.
Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2009 21:22
by hazza
Joined on Mon, Jun 13 2005, London, Posts 36

Hi Jay

I had a good long think about how I was going to set up my template when moving to VE Pro, and while all my audio arrives back into Logic via auxes, I decided against controlling instrument volumes through them, instead opting to automate the VE Pro plugin parameters which route through to VE Pro fader levels etc. I chose this because:

- you can display the automation on the same Logic track as it's relevant MIDI regions in the arrange page - volume data is superimposed over the note information (which also saves hundreds of additional aux tracks in the arrange)

- when moving or copying regions the automation data stays with it (should you so choose)

Having instruments' volume etc recorded onto separate tracks to the MIDI seemed like a hassle for me. Obviously automation post arrival (Logic sends etc) has to be done via the auxes.

Cheers

Harry

Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2009 21:53
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 912

Thanks Karel for confirming that - it really helps in deciding whether or not to upgrade to VE Pro.

I have been using VE2 extensively over the last month and would enjoy the extra features that VE Pro offers.

Thanks also to Harry - your reasoning makes complete sense and is exactly in line with the way I like to work. I already use CC data in VE2 to control instrument volume, modwheel/cell selection and velocity x-fade. It's so easy to draw in this data in Logic's Hyperdraw, I'd be lost without it.

Much appreciated.......

Posted on Fri, Nov 20 2009 02:25
by j.gruberstitzer
Joined on Mon, Jan 29 2007, Montreal, Posts 25

Hi,

I just started using VE PRO Beta for Mac yesterday. Except for a few crashes, all is well. I have VE PRO loaded with Stylus and Omnisphere. In Logic 9, I'm successfully triggering them from the multi timbral instruments that I created. My problem is volume automation. When I choose, for example, in the L9 track pulldown Channel 2 volume and draw in some automation, the corresponding Omnisphere track doesn't read the automation. The L9 track is in Read mode. 

Can anyone suggest how to write automation from L9?

thanks,

Judith Gruber-Stitzer

film composer

Montreal

Posted on Fri, Nov 20 2009 14:12
by hazza
Joined on Mon, Jun 13 2005, London, Posts 36

Hi Judith

Just to confirm - you realise that these automation parameters control the faders in the VE Pro mixer, not the volume setting for each of the parts within Stylus / Omnisphere? "Ch2Vol" will control the 2nd fader from the left in the VE Pro instance connected to that plugin.

Regards

Harry

Posted on Fri, Nov 20 2009 15:36
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 537
Jusith, Logic's Host automation with CC7 is not the way to go for this. There are 2 good options: automate the individual MIDI channels with CC11 or CC1 or use Logic TBA to automate the auxes that the parts are coming into Logic on from VE Pro.
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