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Posted on Sun, Jan 10 2010 23:56
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Another demo from the VSL download collection, this time Epic horns. I've never been an epic type composer so this demo is more of an epic inspiration within my own genre.

Epic Fantasy Suite

Epic Fantasy Suite (part 2)

I appreciate any comments, thanks!

Guy

Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2010 04:59
by mplaster
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, phoenix | az | usa, Posts 217

Wow.... that was GORGEOUS, Guy... Amazing!

Is there some non-VSL percussion in the beginning part? I loved the sound of those drums.

Well done, as always!

-michael

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Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2010 05:36
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Thanks Michael!

It's all VSL. I used Taiko drums from the percussion patches, in the first section. I also used contrabass trombone, bass trombone and Contrabass, so it was a bit of a challenge not to get a muddy sound.

Posted on Wed, Jan 13 2010 19:51
by Chuck Green
Joined on Thu, Dec 21 2006, Ann Arbor, MI (USA), Posts 518

Very Nice Guy,

I especially like part 2....  Very realistic, well balanced, great debt, and superb orchestration.  You really have the VSL library working for you.  Did you use MIR?

Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2010 02:09
by gdugan2
Joined on Mon, Sep 08 2008, Utica, NY, Posts 79

Very nice!  Sounds really good.

iMac 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.15.7 Catalina, 16 GB RAM, PT 2021.12
Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2010 02:52
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5701

I agree completely about this and Guy's other music - it is great and more like symphonic concert music than the usual film "wallpaper" (as Stravinsky put it). 

Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2010 16:06
by Simsy
Joined on Mon, May 21 2007, Posts 385

Hi Guy,

Very nice. Two questions - 1) Are you using MIR?

                                           2) What Piano are you using?

Thanks

Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2010 16:19
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5701

I also had a specific question - did this use all velocity crossfade on the horns, or did you use any dynamic samples? 

Also, I wonder if you are using crossfading ONLY for actual changes in dynamics and then "settle" at the end of the crossfade on a specific pure (not crossfaded) velocity (in other words switching off crossfade at the end of the cresc/dim  instead of leaving the crossfade halfway between two dynamics).  Do you think that is necessary?  I ask because I noticed the horn ensemble on this sounded completely natural with no "crossfade buildup."  

That is something I never had noticed before - "crossfade buildup."  It was advertised as something to avoid in another sample library's blurb, but I basically have always thought there is no such thing audible with ensembles.

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 04:40
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

Thanks everyone for your appreciation and encouragement.

To clear the MIR question, no, I did not use it. 

The piano is Vienna Imperial, and I added some exciter to it from the vienna suite. The Vienna Imperial can be processed in so many ways, I'm starting to discover that.

William,

First off, thanks! I hear you about your first comment. I guess they turn out more concert type pieces because I'm not scoring the music, and I know my style doesn't fit all styles of films, that is true, but I'm still learning from the best film composers around, so maybe I could compromise more in time, without going Zimmermania...

As for your question: 

I did not use cross fade for the Epic horns. I worked with the natural dynamics when possible and a lot of velocity fader. On some articulations such as pfp I sometimes added a staccato or sfz on the attack. I haven't used crossfading for a while, I just adopted other ways that worked better for me.

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 19:29
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371

Yes - nice tracks and nice sound. Have you spllt the same track into two parts?

I liked the two previous tracks you did. They were old school and would never have  much chance of making it into films these days because thet were too good - meaning - you would instantly divorce yourself from 99.9% of film directors and producers of the modern age because they wouldn't understand them - in the context of a film watched by people that suffer mainly from obesity and major concentration issues.

That was what LOTR was really all about. It was made specifically for obese people that want to sit for 9 hours on a sofa stuffing things into their faces while watching fairies prance about the screen - no thought required  -  and ever since then, film makers have jumped onto that particular band wagon. Why just the other day someone said to me on the interweb how awful the weather must be where I am. Not at all I said.  Workers in the CGI industry see weather 10 times worse than this every day. Music either on TV or films or game videos is completely homogenous and that's and end to it.

The first track here would work well though - has a faint wiff of John Barry about it without being derivative in that sense.

Nice sound.

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 20:29
by JSAntares
Joined on Mon, Apr 13 2009, Posts 145
Your criticism of TLOTR seems shallow.
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 20:32
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
JSAntares wrote:
Your criticism of TLOTR seems shallow.

Which part? - the obesity part? or the concentration issues part?

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 21:13
by JSAntares
Joined on Mon, Apr 13 2009, Posts 145
Everybody on this forum seems to look down upon The Lord Of The Rings and Howard Shore's music for it. I am indeed a fan of the books, films and the music (although I haven't listened to all of the complete recordings yet). I am not a rabid fan, however, don't get me wrong but I dislike the clearly condescending nature of your previous post. First of all, these are not typical 'Oscar bait' films clearly, but neither are they mindless action movies (although you clearly disagree) and a fairly sizeable portion of the trilogy has no action in whatsoever. But I'm hardly going to sway you with this argument as I do see where you are coming from (I believe...). I watch many artistic, independent films where the music may or may not be good but I can also watch a clearly commercial movie from time to time. On the subject of Howard Shore...I still prefer him to the likes of Hans Zimmerman and James Horner although he isn't entirely different. Wait, where am I going with this...? It's the concentration issues, I'm sorry.
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:00
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

So at the end of the day is there any hope for me?Sad

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:13
by JSAntares
Joined on Mon, Apr 13 2009, Posts 145
Guy wrote:

So at the end of the day is there any hope for me?Sad



Guy, it was primarily your demos that convinced to get into VSL. I think it was Mourning which I listened to roughly a year ago that inspired me massively right away. : )
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:19
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

That made my day! Now I shall not read anything on any forum until monday to not ruin this moment. :)

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:32
by JSAntares
Joined on Mon, Apr 13 2009, Posts 145
Hehe, I'm glad. All your music is great.
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:33
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5701

 JSAntares - One of the few things I don't agree with PaulR on is LOTR as I love it. Though since PaulR is a Limey he may look at it differently.  Maybe it is a cross-cultural (as opposed to crossdressing) translation.  Like the inconceivable, horrific fact of the French loving Jerry Lewis.  This is one of the most insoluble and profound mysteries of life. 

But anyway I think the LOTR films are amazingly good.  With them you see an astounding amount of creative work, all of it put together seamlessly.  It is like about 10 Erroll Flynn/Korngold Robin Hoods all put together.  At first i didn't like the music but it seems to grow on you, and be very good in the long run.  Obviously a huge undertaking, doing that score, and extremely impressive that Shore did the orchestrations as well. 

However I absolutely agree with Paul R about Guy in his statement that he is too good for film music.  I was saying that in my previous edited rant (the editin being part of my New Year's resolution to be Kind and Gentle to All).  No one will notice all the good things Guy does with his melodic motifs, brilliant orchestrations, imaginative contrapuntal accompaniments etc. in these days of Troglodyte-Block-Chord-Hip-Hop scores, but nevertheless Guy must continue to serve as a beacon in the coming Dark Age of Zimmerdor.

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 23:52
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
Guy wrote:

So at the end of the day is there any hope for me?Sad

No. None whatsoever.

Mwhahahaha.

Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2010 23:56
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
William wrote:

 JSAntares - One of the few things I don't agree with PaulR on is LOTR as I love it. Though since PaulR is a Limey he may look at it differently.  Maybe it is a cross-cultural (as opposed to crossdressing) translation.  Like the inconceivable, horrific fact of the French loving Jerry Lewis.  This is one of the most insoluble and profound mysteries of life. 

It's because you're prematurely turning into a senile old Yank sitting out on your f**c*** porch -  and you've forgotten all you've learnt about films.   Party!!! Confused

This is an English story! Turned into some dreadful Hollywood, sickly, vomit -ridden CGI fest. I don't give a sh!t about the music. It could be the best music ever written for film for all I care. If the film I'm watching is drivel, the music could have been written by Mozart and I wouldn't notice it!

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