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Posted on Wed, Feb 03 2010 16:21
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

Hello everyone,

My name is Lubo Astinov. Just like you I am a VSL user and a composer. I am also currently the Product Manager for NOTION Music. We are very excited to let you know that we have just released NOTION SLE for VSL Special Edition – a dedicated notation/playback tool for all Special Edition Libraries. It is the only such software that has been specifically designed for VSL Special Edition (PLUS) and we believe it is a great tool for a great library.

I am starting this thread to make myself available for any and all questions/comments or support related information that VSL users such as you might have. I am here to offer my help and assistance. For information about NOTION SLE for VSL Special edition, you are welcome to visit this page: http://www.notionmusic.com/products/notion_sle_vsl.html

Thank you for your attention and I’m looking forward to your discussions.

Sincerely,

Lubo Astinov

Tags: NOTION SLE
Posted on Thu, Feb 04 2010 17:37
by Pro-Arte
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Nice France, Posts 186

 Cool !

Core i7 ,EVGA, 32 Go DDR3, RME Hammerfall,ATI Sapphire HD 5450, Windows 10 64 bit,SSD 256 & 512Go,CUBASE 10, VSL SE & +, NOTION 6, FM8, KONTAKT 5
Posted on Fri, Feb 05 2010 02:16
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec, Canada, Posts 286

Hi Lubo,

Wonderful !

I just bought N3 a few weeks ago...

Do SLE is a completely different software?

Is it an update from N3?

I'm working almost exclusively with a full Vienna SE Plus ext.

So,

What's the best move for me?

Thanks

All the best

Alain LeBlond
Composer born in 1957

Mac Pro (early 2009) 5.1
2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core, 32 Go
Mac OS 10.14.6

Dorico 4, Notion6,
-VSL, SE Complete Bundle, SE Synchronized, Ve Pro, Vi Pro, MIRx
Roland A-88 keyboard
Posted on Fri, Feb 05 2010 13:15
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

Hi Alain,

Since you already have NOTION3 you get the same presets and functionality as in SLE and more. Just make sure you keep updated and you will have the same features and functionality. No need for you to purchase SLE.

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Fri, Feb 05 2010 19:19
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1090

Hello Lubo,

For some reason I cannot find a way to PM you. Could you send me a PM providing an e-mail or telephone no. please?

Thanks.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Fri, Feb 05 2010 19:28
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

Hi Errikos,

My email would be best - lubo notion

Regards,

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Sun, Feb 07 2010 16:04
by Oceanview
Joined on Sat, Jan 12 2008, Oxford, England, Posts 163

 Can anyone from Vienna comment on this product and its usefulness to those of us using Vienna samples with Sibelius? What is the gain? Does this sort out existing problems in which instruments do not change articulation, especially problems encountered when using two instances of the same instrument - usually violin I and II?

Thanks.

Oceanview
Posted on Sun, Feb 07 2010 16:13
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3515

Due to a different way Notion handles playback and MIDI channels, this problem does not exist in Notion.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Feb 07 2010 18:43
by Paco Monge
Joined on Mon, May 30 2005, Posts 7

 Hi Lubo,

Since last friday I've became an user of Notion SLE for Windows-XP and I'd like to make you some questions, since I did not find the answers in the user manual:

1-What would be the best way to export a Notion file incluiding the settings of VE-VI, regarding the articulations, dynamics, tempo, etc, in order to finish the mixing process in Nuendo 4?

2-How do you make visible and available the VI instance, directly from the score page, without going to the mixer? You do it in the video tutorials by using some short cut that I can't find in the user manual.

3-In the demo files how do you have difined the close-far relationship of the instruments in terms of reverb?

4- I do not have a Notion SLE folder in the preset select section of VE-VI instances, vhen I load a template. How should I proceed to solve this issue?. (I have installed the latest versions of the software). I have sent a e-mail to the support option regarding this issue.

Thank you very much in advance, Lubo.

Best regards,

Paco Monge

Posted on Sun, Feb 07 2010 19:51
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

Hi Paco,

Sure, let me help you with that.

Q: 1-What would be the best way to export a Notion file incluiding the settings of VE-VI, regarding the articulations, dynamics, tempo, etc, in order to finish the mixing process in Nuendo 4?

A: If you export a MIDI file it would keep all of the keyswitches within the file. You will find them "underneath" the notes in the piano roll view. To use those and get the same playback in your sequencer, simply load the corresponding .fxp preset into your sequencer track, for example, lets say you used Violins I in NOTION SLE - you need to export the MIDI file and then in your sequencer load the Violins I.fxp patch for that VI instance.

However, what I would probably do is tweak the MIDI part in NOTION SLE and then simply export .wav files to mix and master the wavs in Nuendo. You can export as wav the whole score or sections of the score or individual parts. To export the whole score just choose Export Audio (make sure Real Time export is selected in Preferences if you use Vienna Ensemble). To export a section or individual part, select the part (highlight it, you can click on it and use the Ctrl+Shift+A shortcut) and then choose export as wav. This will then export only the Highlighted part into a wav track. 

Another option is to use ReWire and Slave NOTION SLE to your sequencer. You can then get the audio directly in the project. 

Q: 2-How do you make visible and available the VI instance, directly from the score page, without going to the mixer? You do it in the video tutorials by using some short cut that I can't find in the user manual.

A: The shortcut is Ctrl+I (Cmd+I on Mac)

Q:3-In the demo files how do you have difined the close-far relationship of the instruments in terms of reverb?

I used the stereo pan option for each instrument and reduced the stereo spread for instruments that I want further away. Then, I simply use one instance of the VSL Convolution reverb and that does the trick.

Q:4- I do not have a Notion SLE folder in the preset select section of VE-VI instances, vhen I load a template. How should I proceed to solve this issue?. (I have installed the latest versions of the software). I have sent a e-mail to the support option regarding this issue.

A: We save those into the default VSL Custom Data folder. However, if you changed this in the Directory Manager, the NOTION presets may not appear. Here's where they are. On a PC: <Your NOTION SLE folder>\Support\PluginData\VSL\Presets.

On a Mac, you need to right-click your NOTION SLE app in the Applications folder and choose Browse Package Contents, then go to Contents/Resources/PluginData/VSL/Presets.

In there you'll find all the fxp's you need. :)

Let me know if this helps. You should also receive a response from our Tech Support on Monday. But in any case, let me know if this resolves your issue. 

Sincerely,

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 03:33
by Yanick
Joined on Thu, Nov 15 2007, Montreal , Posts 32

Hello Lubo,

I'm having a lots of hope in Notion3 and I've let me tempted by it's SLE conterpart. I've seen, from your Notion VIenna Instruments Preset that most (if not every) Articulation available in Special edition Plus is acessible with keyswitchs. But i'm having a hard time finding out ways to trigger some of them via writen notation inside Notion! Perf-Repetion patchs or even Detache are no where to be found. I finaly manage to trigger short detache with a Mezzo-Staccato symbol. And how about such cells like on keyswith D0 sustain/detache with your Solo violin preset. How can i invoke that particular cells with a marking in Notion?

Ultimatly is there a way to Edit your articulation. Association keyswitch of my choice to an articulation. For expemple, making the Staccatisimo Symbol send a F0/D-1 keyswitch to trigger your the perf-rep Spiccato cells (or a real spiccato since I also own some DVD instruments).

Thanks,

Y-

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 07:25
by dayadon
Joined on Fri, Aug 03 2007, Posts 172

Hello.

I've been working a bit with this notation software now, and so far I'm getting very impressed with the way it's handling the string articulations!  Plus, the score is looking very nice, too!

I'm quickly becoming a fan of Notation, and I'm thinking that I should change over from Sibelius and Finale.  I'll have to work with it some more, but it's so nice to easily put in the articulations and have the show and sound correctly!

I have a question;  I have the Strings + and several woodwind and brass download instruments.  Not the entire VSL SE Plus library.  I also have the extended addon, too.  Can I get the download instruments articulations to work in SLE?  The strings seem to be playing the + articulations well.

Nice work!

Dennis

Mac Pro 2.66 dual core quad (12 gig mem), OS X 10.7.5, Macbook dual core 2.4 ghz
Logic 9.1.8, Finale 2014, Cubase 7.5, Sibelius 7.5, App Strings 1 Extended, SE Wiith Stngs+ Extended, Many D/L Complete instruments, Firestudio Mobile and Audiobox USB, VE Pro 5
Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 13:23
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

 Hi Yanick,

On to your questions:

Actually, detache is triggered by the '-' /dash/ symbol, however it is triggered only if the conditions are "right" for a detache. That is if the sound is "main" sound - i.e. you're not using "sordino" or "ponticello" and if the time of the note is enough to allow for the detache sanple, yet not too long as to make the detache appear like a bad choice (e.g. a detache on a whole note in 4/4 at tempo 90 ).

You can try it - place a half note in the violins with tempo Q=90 and then place the dash on top of the note. This will trigger detache. If you are using a different technique (such as ponticello) or your note is too long, the dash will not trigger the detache (because you dont want to jump from ponticello to non-ponticello) but it will shorten the note just enough to give you a separtaion.

Now, about the Perf-Rep sample and the Detache combined with the sustenuto - you are very observant :) Those currently do not have associated articulations, they will be added on the next update (soon), since we'll also optimize some other things.  You can just wait for the next update, but if you really can't live without it, here's how you can manually change the articulation association:

Q:Ultimatly is there a way to Edit your articulation. Association keyswitch of my choice to an articulation. For expemple, making the Staccatisimo Symbol send a F0/D-1 keyswitch to trigger your the perf-rep Spiccato cells (or a real spiccato since I also own some DVD instruments).

A: Yes. It is a bit technical, but I think it can be done relatively easy. I'm not sure what system you are on, but here is what to do. Here's how to manually re-program the staccatissimo to triger the perf-spiccato.

1. For PC: In your NOTION SLE folder (where the program is installed) go to Support\PluginData\VSL\Rules.

2. Open up the VSL_Instruments.prules file with a text editor. Then find this text: <rule name="staccatissimo KS">. This is the playback rule for the staccatissimo articulation.

3. Under it look at the last 2 lines of the rule. Change those to be:

<key-switch type="note-on-prefix" midi-pitch="2" velocity="1" /> 
<key-switch type="note-on-prefix" midi-pitch="17" velocity="1" />

You're done. Now repeat this for the other 2 prules files so that it works in VE and VE PRO.

Just be careful when manually editing those. For one, you need to back up both the original and your changes, because if you want your changes kept when we update the software, you may want to have your rules saved. But also, if you are not careful and do not follow the proper format and say the syntax is wrong, your rules will stop working.

Again, unless you are comfortable with editing xml files, I would just wait for the update .

Thanks, Hope this helps.

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 13:26
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

 Hi Dennis,

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, you can get the download articulations to work too. In your score, simply bring up the VI interface and replace the patches with the corresponding download instrument patches.Then make sure you save the score. This should work fine.

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 13:28
by Paco Monge
Joined on Mon, May 30 2005, Posts 7

 Hi Lubo,

Thank you very much for your answer.

The issue of the Notion SLE folder is now fixed.

Regarding the exporting possibilities to Nuendo, all the options you suggest are good. However, since VE, and also the Notion folder's presets are also available to be used in Nuendo, I wonder if is it possible to load also the presets or the corresponding file of VE. Sorry if this is an obvious question, but until now I've been working in Nuendo, using only VI instances, so I'm not used with VE possibilities.

Eventhogh, if you allow me, I'd like suggest, for further developments, a VST plugin that would allow the integration of Notion and Nuendo, maybe like Melodyne and other tools. I think there is any score editor application in the market that offers this possibility.

Also I'd like to say that my first impressions of Notion are very good and I think it will be a tool that will make easier the composing process.

Thaks again, Lubo

Best regards,

Paco Monge

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 13:35
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

 Hi Paco,

Thanks for your kind words. Yes, I think you should be able to simply save the VE preset from the NOTION score as a viframe and then open that in Nuendo. This should work fine. Let me know if you run into problems.

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Mon, Feb 08 2010 14:25
by Yanick
Joined on Thu, Nov 15 2007, Montreal , Posts 32

Thanks Lubo,

I've been coupling my Vienna Library with many notation software over the years, (Finale, Sibelius and Overture), But Notion seems to be all i needed from the start. It's a perfect fit. I was looking foward to peek under the hood of the playback rules. I see now the limitless possibility of editing the "Prules" to my needs, and i've already included some of my big DVD collection articulations to the mix (don't worry I'm keeping a backup:) ).  I cant wait to see how you'll automate the Perf-repetition trigger in XML.

Long Live Notion,

Y-

Posted on Tue, Feb 09 2010 17:33
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1159

Being an early adopter of Vienna Instruments, I'm strictly a DVD collection user - no Special Edition stuff at all. Will Notion SLE be worthwhile for me? Is it relatively easy to get the DVD collections to work? Could someone provide a quick walk-through of how I would do this?

thanks in advance.

James.

Posted on Tue, Feb 09 2010 19:13
by lubo
Joined on Mon, May 16 2005, Posts 64

Hi James,

Although NOTION SLE is designed to work for Special Edition, there's nothing stopping you from bringing up the VI or VE interface(s) and simply substituting the corresponding SE patches with the DVD collections Instruments.If you do that on the presets, then you'll get them everytime already setup.

Hope that helps.

Lubo Astinov

Posted on Tue, Feb 09 2010 19:24
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1159

Of course, that makes sense. I also saw the post on customizing the .prules files, which seems reasonable as well. All things considered - and particularly with that amazing price(!) - I can't see any good reason not to give it a try! 

thanks,

J.

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