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Posted on Sun, Mar 21 2010 19:54
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

 Dear community,

I'm very happy to announce that we have finished the "Vienna Choir" and the DVDs are already in replication.

We expect to send out the DVDs to our distributers end of March.

We also have a winner of our "Choir Lottery" contest.

Piotr Musial wins a Vienna Choir Full Library package. 

The library contains 31412 samples, and Piotr posted 31466 samples, so he was pretty close.

Congratulations!

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Update - Now the first demos are available.

Jay Bacal sent us this beautiful version of Frederick Delius "To be sung of a summer night on the water"

which demonstrates the performance legato abilities of the Vienna Choir perfectly:

http://vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=1&DemoId=5535

Here are some additional tutorial demos showcasing special playing techniques of the Vienna Choir.

First one a piece which is based exclusively on performance glissando articulations

Vienna Choir - Glissandi.mp3

The next piece is done exclusively with dynamic samples: crescendi, diminuendi, sfz

Vienna Choir - Dynamics.mp3

The following piece is based on performance trills, with these articulation you can go far beyond what a choir usually could perform

Vienna Choir - Trills.mp3

Now we are going in a scary direction, you will hear our "creepy" articulations:

Vienna Choir - Creepy.mp3

And a last one for the moment, a crazy piece demonstrating cluster and soprano glissandi at the end

Vienna Choir - Cluster.mp3

Posted on Sun, Mar 21 2010 21:09
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1656

Wonderful news Herb.  Congratulations on what I am sure will be a wonderful release for you guys.   All the best luck and fortunes on this one.

Rob

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Posted on Mon, Mar 22 2010 10:56
by The Minstrel
Joined on Fri, Oct 16 2009, Sweden, Posts 99

Congratulations Piotr!

Posted on Mon, Mar 22 2010 21:58
by pietro
Joined on Fri, Feb 29 2008, Posts 1

OMG, I can't believe it!!!

...

This is a wonderful surprise, guys, especially now, that I'm on a very low budget. (Still haven't gotten a real break in...)

I've been a user of Soprano Choirs, and I really love it!

Thank you! You're simply awesome! Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile

(omg again!)

- Piotr

Posted on Wed, Mar 24 2010 20:23
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

 I've added some demolinks in my first post of this topic

best

Herb

Posted on Wed, Mar 24 2010 21:25
by requiem_aeternam7
Joined on Wed, May 14 2008, Posts 108

hats off to VSL! The long awaited debut...finally! What an achievement. Here's to tremendous success!

I am not 100% convinced on the tone just yet but the dynamic demo blew me away! I think it's worth it just for that.

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Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 07:02
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700

Are you thinking to add a Word Builder soon ?

Best

Cyril

P.S. I will be interested to have the midi file of "To be sung of a summer night on the water" to make a version with QLSC end with the Choir of Logic

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Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 09:27
by Jann
Joined on Sat, Jan 18 2003, Posts 50

By the way, about the introductory offer: for the free extended library does a user have to have the 10 libraries contained in the cube, or does the offer also apply to users who have 10 DVD standard libraries which may not all be included in the symphonic cube?

Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 10:21
by nick.halliwell
Joined on Fri, Aug 15 2003, UK, Posts 133

Speaking as someone who owns around 15 of the full DVD collections, all with Extended libraries plus a few Download Instruments and the original Full Special Edition, but not quite all of the 10 in the Cube I'd like to second Jann's question... I've actually spent considerably more money than someone who just has the Cube, it's just that my priorities are slightly different.

On the other hand I do appreciate how difficult it is for VSL to come up with an offer that's fair to users AND logistically workable for the company, which is why I'm not chucking my toys out of the pram. If something can be done for people in our position then that'd be great, that's all.

Nick

Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 10:40
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 248

Wow!

Especially the dynamics demo impressed me deeply, I can't await hearing more demos!

Great job!

Gabriel

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Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 19:45
by P_C
Joined on Mon, Sep 24 2007, Norway, Posts 154

 

nick.halliwell wrote:
On the other hand I do appreciate how difficult it is for VSL to come up with an offer that's fair to users AND logistically workable for the company, which is why I'm not chucking my toys out of the pram.

 Well, here`s a crazy thought...what about just giving 50% off the extended edition for EVERYONE?

You know, like a proper introductory offer...that doesnt require the user to spend money on additional libs to meet the sales criteria...

Wacky concept , huh? :)

Anyway, grats on the release...looking forward to hearin` some more demos and stuff :)

Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 21:54
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 765

Great! Super! Fantastic! - but when are we going to be able to buy it - all my "buy now" options are greyed out!

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Posted on Thu, Mar 25 2010 23:18
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

DaveTubaKing wrote:
Great! Super! Fantastic! - but when are we going to be able to buy it - all my "buy now" options are greyed out!
 

Thanks Dave!

"Buy Button" will be active next Monday (maybe yet on Sunday).

best

Herb

Posted on Fri, Mar 26 2010 18:22
by sirbellog
Joined on Sat, Jan 03 2004, Posts 117

Congrats for this long announced release !

Well, I guess I'm a bit tempted by this baby, even if, so far, the demos are not telling the whole story IMO, and my budget is not at its best...

One question then, because as both a soprano choir and SE/SE+ registered user, I'm a bit confused with the special offer terms :

- I indeed saw in the order page that the discount calculator acknowledges that I'm a soprano choir registered user, since I'm not asked the full price.

- but does the choir extended library special offer for the SE/SE+ registered users combine with the soprano choir owner discount ?

If so, this would make it even more tempting, and realistic for an immediate purchase.

But I'm not sure about that....Stick out tongue

Posted on Sat, Mar 27 2010 00:05
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582

Congradulations VSL on the arrival of your new product!

In the Vienna Choir product page, when I put my mouse cursor on the DVD cover, "Vienna Choir I" appears in the temporary dialogue box.  This leads me to ask, is there a "Vienna Choir II" in the works?  Maybe?   


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Posted on Sat, Mar 27 2010 01:34
by mplaster
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, phoenix | az | usa, Posts 217

The Sample Content list is a little confusing.... It seems to be saying that the Standard Edition consists of all articulations, but only the "AH" vocalizations.... and the Extended Library is all that exact same stuff except for with the "U" (Ooooh) Vocalizations.. Is that correct? Because if so, that kinda sucks. Please tell me i am mis-reading that.

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Posted on Sat, Mar 27 2010 01:38
by mplaster
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, phoenix | az | usa, Posts 217

Also, the Requirements page lists OS requirements (for mac) as Mac OSX 10.5 or higher.. why on earth would that be? I mean, isnt it just, to simplify it, the same as any other VSL sample set i would buy and it just "plugs in" the new samples? Or is the interface entirely different (such as the Imperial was)

I dont get why a higher OS is neccesary

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Posted on Sun, Mar 28 2010 15:59
by julian
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, UK, Posts 720

It would be good to hear some more examples of the choir in further compositions - preferably before the offer period ends. Having recorded with top quality choirs in an orchestral and soundtrack environment on numerous occasions I am interested in this latest offering.

I have the VSL Soprano instrument, generally very good but I have a problem with the tuning of the legato patches, and the East West Symphonic Choirs not too bad either but never got to grips with word builder which means most of the samples aren't brought into play. As a side note there are some really good performances within the Spectrasonic's Symphony of Voices, unbelievably 13 years old but yet to be surpassed in certain aspects - maybe because it's an English choir, arguably the best in the world :) !, though perhaps not directly comparable to the latest virtual instruments.

I must admit to a feeling of a certain synthetic/artificial characteristic to the demos so far. Is it that there is a uniformity that is often not so present in a real performance choir?, is it they are individuals brought together for a sampling session rather than a choir used to performing and rehearsing together? is it the acoustic they were recorded in? (I recently recorded a 60 strong choir in a dead studio and had to work really hard to bring the performance to life. Yet I recorded/sampled a couple of large world class choirs in two of London's most famous orchestral recording rooms and the sounds are just so expansive and "real" a trait I would love to be able to pick up in VSL's latest work.

Most of the orchestral demos from VSL have blown me away in what has been achieved in sampling. I'm now hoping that there will be some recordings confirming the same has been achieved with the choral library!

Thanks

Julian

Posted on Mon, Mar 29 2010 19:01
by markus_30526
Joined on Wed, Sep 05 2007, Germany, Posts 14

I'm a little bit dissapointed of this new product.

Ok, the sound ist amazing, very clear and detailed and I'm sure that legato, glissando is the best on the market. Never heard some subtle sounding A and U out of a sample lib and I hope further demos will show, that this choir can also be powerful and bright.

But, it seems to me an unfinished product. Only A und U vowels? What about O, I and E or some often in choir music used consonants like Mmmh. Will all of them follow to 445,- EUR each? 

Any children choirs planed? 

And overall, a really realistic choir do sing words.Only a few vowels and consonants do limit the range of use. Keyword Wordbuilder or something similar.

If vocals do sing words, independent of understanding them all, it brings some kind of special human feel to a production. It makes a great difference if a choir only sings Aah, independent of their great expression, or if the choir sings real words. But maybe, such type of realistic and usage area isn't the aim of VSL Choir.

For one of the more expensive choir libs on the market, I had expected more vowels, consonants, features and a wider spectrum of usability. I was in hope, that VSL will bring out a better sounding and feature rich choir lib as EWQL SC is, to a competitive pricing. But it seems, that the VSL choir lib aims to a completely different range of use. Really nice for classical chorals without words, but thats all and it's too little for that price. 

It's a shame, I don't see in VSL Choir a reason for replacement of EW Choir. 

Markus

Posted on Mon, Mar 29 2010 19:55
by requiem_aeternam7
Joined on Wed, May 14 2008, Posts 108

After letting the choir demos simmer for a week or so and then hearing them again in a rested light, I must sadly agree with Markus's post above. Not the break through I was hoping for, and too expensive for what it is. I can purchase several of the top choirs on the market for the price of the VSL choir alone and have all my bases covered.

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