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VSE Orchestral Strings Attack Issue
Last post Sun, Apr 18 2010 by Beat Kaufmann, 8 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 14 2010 00:20
by Vasa
Joined on Fri, Feb 19 2010, Posts 20
VSE Orchestral Strings Attack Issue

Hi everybody, I just bought Vienna Special Edt.
I nocited that when I "Orchestral Strings" if I play with Piano Dynimics P or PP or MP
I have a long attack in strings, which cannot help me for fast passage
I obtain like a "wave" effect of strings.
The perfect attact it would be like staccato, but I need to make legato or at least to avoid the "wave" effect in strings
Can someone explain to me how to solve that problem?
I use Notions SLE but even with cubase, if I play live I cannot avoit this defect
The "wave" effect is less is I play in Forte F of FF , FFF
but if I need a short attack in soft dynimics I can i DO?
before buying Vienna ext or Plus I would like to know if i possible to solve it.

Let's suppose to have 108 metronome, and you play a A major scale in lower octac of Violins
if you play in 8ths you will understand the "wave" effect
this defect i common in many Strings Library ( Garritan, EWQL, Miroslav etc. etc.)
but in many Vienna demos the attack is solved, How shall i do???

Thank you in Advence
Lausanne / Switzerland
Posted on Wed, Apr 14 2010 08:04
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3584

Hello Vasa!

For fast passages the legato patch sounds better than the sustain patch. If you want a staccato attack, you could additionally add the staccato patch as a second cell to the legato patch. In this case I recommend lowering the volume of the second cell, because otherwise it would be very harsh.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:28
by Vasa
Joined on Fri, Feb 19 2010, Posts 20
Dear Andreas, first of all thank you for answering to me.
Your soultion is usefull but partial solving, because if I i make
Violins in DIV ( Divisi - separated voices ) I cannot use the legato preset.

Is the Standar Extension solving that problem?
or maybe the Plus Version?

wouuld you indicate more solutions?

Thank so much in advence
Vasa
Lausanne / Switzerland
Posted on Wed, Apr 14 2010 14:42
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3584

Hello Vasa!

You can use two staves/tracks for the divisi violins and use legato for both of them.
If you don't want that you can add a staccato patch as a second cell to the sustain patch (and lower the volume of it as explained above).

The SE extended offers additional instruments to the standard collection.
The SE PLUS offers additional articulations.
All details about these products can be found here:
http://vsl.co.at/en/211/261/314/183.vsl

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 15 2010 01:29
by Vasa
Joined on Fri, Feb 19 2010, Posts 20
Thank you again Andreas,
I tried you suggetions and even more experiment but the defect remains.
But I have been thinking about this.
In the library is present the "legato" sample which has the better attack available, but is monophonic.
why don't you spread and update where the legato sample (of course with differnt name ) can be use as polyphonic?

Can you suggest me a DVD collenciont where I can find this kind of attack in order to overlay to my SE strings?

thank you so much in advance
Vasa
Lausanne / Switzerland
Posted on Thu, Apr 15 2010 08:49
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3584

Hello Vasa!

Our Orchestral Strings and Appassionata Strings collections offer a performance marcato articulation, which might be exactly what you need in this case.

More details about these products can be found at the following locations:
http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/352/219.htm
http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/353/220.htm
http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/422/272.htm

We are already working on a new legato mode, which can also be used polyphonic.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 15 2010 10:20
by Vasa
Joined on Fri, Feb 19 2010, Posts 20
Great!!!!!!!

thank you
Lausanne / Switzerland
Posted on Sun, Apr 18 2010 23:17
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1780

Hello again Vasa

Just an addition to Andi's answer above. You will find the marcato-legato with nearly all VSL-instruments.

You also get a harsh legato for example - with the solostrings which is even more aggressive than marcato.

As an example of the marcato-articulation of the chamber strings:

Grieg_Holberg_Suite_Praelude

Listen to the piece from 2:16 - 2:22 (legato marcato within all the registers of the chamber strings)

Best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
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