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Logic: Volume information not sent when project loads
Last post Tue, May 11 2010 by Novatlan, 15 replies.
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Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 14:03
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

You should make sure to save the project with the correct fader settings. It is the responsability of the master host to send MIDI CC when necessary. VE Pro will just load whatever has been saved.

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 14:10
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
Thanks for your answer!

The project is saved correctly.
It works if I only start an empty VE Pro server (i.e. don't open an mframe). When I then load any project with VE Pro in it, Logic makes VE Pro load the correct instruments and sets all volume levels right.

When I then close this project, VE Pro of course stays open and has everything loaded.
When I now load another project with identical tracks, but different volume levels, Logic correctly (re)connects to the VE Pro instances, but all volume levels stay the same and do not reflect the levels in the project.

Had I closed all VE Pro instances and then opened the Logic project, VE Pro would have reloaded everything including the correct volume levels.
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 15:34
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
Hello!
I have a problem, which so far I was not able to solve.
I am using Logic Pro 9.1.1 on 10.6.3 in conjunction with a slave PC. All in all I have six instances of VE Pro, mostly filled with Kontakt.

I have 16 External MIDI tracks per VE Pro instance in Logic. Volume information is sent via CC27, all Kontakt instances are set to receive CC27, which works great.

However when loading a project, the volume fader value is not sent to the VE Pro instances. Only when I move a fader the volume within VE Pro will adjust accordingly. This happens with all VIs inside VE Pro. This means whenever I load a project I need to touch all faders to get the volume information right.

Anything I can do?

Thanks!

Novatlan
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 15:40
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

It might help to simple start and stop the Logic Pro transport. This depends entirely on how Logic Pro decides to send MIDI CC.

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 16:03
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
No, this does not work.
I think Logic sends MIDI when loading a project. I tested it with my Technics Keyboard. Logic always sends CC7 when loading a project.
Only if an instance in VE Pro is not newly loaded, but reactivated from a preserved instance, it seems to ignore this.
Any way I can test this and provide further information?
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 17:20
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

Feel free to do so, but I'm afraid it is not something that can be changed in VE Pro.

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, May 09 2010 17:25
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
But isn't this a bug?
VE Pro correctly loads volume when there are no preserved instances there.
But when there is a preserved instance, it totally ignores any volume information.

Am I the only one affected by this issue? When I load a huge project of, say, 100 tracks (i.e. any project using my orchestral template), I have to move 100 faders by hand?
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Posted on Mon, May 10 2010 08:11
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376
Novatlan wrote:
When I load a huge project of, say, 100 tracks (i.e. any project using my orchestral template), I have to move 100 faders by hand?

Have you tried using 'Send Used Instruments MIDI Settings' in Logic?

M

Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Mon, May 10 2010 17:47
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
Unfortunately this does not work, either.
How come noone so far has mentioned this issue. Either it is a bug in Logic, or a bug in VE Pro.
I assume it is a bug in VE Pro since VE Pro correctly loads everything if the instance is loaded from within Logic, i.e. if it does not use preserved instances.
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Posted on Mon, May 10 2010 21:37
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

This is because VE Pro saves and loads the project data. If you connect to an existing setting without loading the project data this is just normal behavior.

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, May 11 2010 04:27
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
Ok, so it is not possible to keep VE Pro instances open?
I thought this is what the preserve function is there for? That means when switching projects I have to close VE Pro and reopen it, correct?
I mean, what use is it to have the samples loaded if VE Pro does not react to the track volume sent by Logic? Logic definitively sends the track volume because it works with other hosts, i.e. Bidule.
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
Posted on Tue, May 11 2010 09:47
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376
Novatlan wrote:
Unfortunately this does not work, either. How come noone so far has mentioned this issue.

That's strange - the 'send used instruments MIDI settings' function does the trick for me (although I am using CC107 not CC27 for the volume). I know this is an obvious thing to check but I will anyway (sorry); is the volume box ticked (in the track parameter box)?

Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Tue, May 11 2010 11:01
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
Mosso, you _are_ my hero.
If you were a beautiful young lady, I'd now propose to your dad for your hand :)
That did the trick. I have never before worked with MIDI tracks and even an hour of searching in the Logic Manual (why don't they have a printed one?!?!) did not lead me to the right path. Just tried with my big orchestral template on a few tracks. When Volume is checked, VE Pro correctly loads the volume information.
Many, many thanks!
You don't by any chance use an Euphonix controller? This is the second big thing making problems on my mac...
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
Posted on Tue, May 11 2010 16:16
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376

Ah, but what if I was an ugly young lady? Wink

Glad to have helped. Sadly, I don't use a Euphonix controller so I can't be of any help there. The best of luck with finding a solution though!

M

Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Tue, May 11 2010 19:33
by Novatlan
Joined on Mon, Oct 12 2009, Bingen, Germany, Posts 168
One problem solved, here's the next one:
If I move the fader in Logic with the Mouse, the value in the "Volume" checkbox is changed.
If I move the fader with my Euphonix Controller or with any other controller, it stays the same. You can hear the effect, but since the value does not change and Logic always sends the value of the field to VE Pro, after reloading the project, VE Pro will get the wrong value.
Any ideas?
PC i7 3930K, 64GB Ram, RME Fireface UCX, Win 10 Pro
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