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Last post Sun, Aug 29 2010 by civilization 3, 23 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Jul 28 2010 13:24
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

I'm running Vienna Ensemble Pro Server v.4.0.6150 (64bit).  I have recently updated from Kontakt 3.5 to Kontakt 4.1 and the background loading is brilliant.  Loading two instances of Kontakt 4.1 with my full LASS template takes maybe 30 seconds.  That's when I load directly in Cubase but it's still taking several minutes to load when they are loaded in VE Pro server - the samples load very quickly into Kontakt but VEPro sits for ages after that with the "Loading" screen.

Is this typical?  What's going on?

Dan

Posted on Wed, Jul 28 2010 18:24
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1631

I think this, long load times, can happen if the instance is 'coupled' with the sequencing host. Have you tried these kontakt LASS instances as metaframes decoupled from Cubase? My experience, Cubase on a master, VEP on a slave, is that it's MUCH faster loading where the VEP servers are decoupled from Cubase. I load the metaframes first, then connect Cubase to them from a decoupled basis.

MacBook Pro 15,1: 2.9 GHz 6-core i9
32GB 2400MHz DDR4
OSX 10.14.5
VE Pro 7
Posted on Wed, Jul 28 2010 18:33
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

Thanks for your reply.  No, that isn't it.  The instances are all decoupled in Cubase but I have it set up so that my template metaframe opens when Windows loads so Cubase isn't even open, anyway.

Posted on Thu, Jul 29 2010 09:07
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

Hello

VE PRO is great, it is a pity it is taking so long to load

Just hoping that VSL is working on improving this, (and fix my flashing screen problem Wink

Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Thu, Jul 29 2010 17:15
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1732
Cyril wrote:

Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

What do you mean exactly? VI Pro is now a completely self-contained plugin, so you may host it natively as a 32- or 64-bit plugin on Mac, or in the VEPro. If you mean the looks, it is quite a lot brighter than VE Pro :)

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Thu, Jul 29 2010 18:19
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

Hi Martin,

Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.

Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 06:45
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

Hello Martin

MS wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

What do you mean exactly? VI Pro is now a completely self-contained plugin, so you may host it natively as a 32- or 64-bit plugin on Mac, or in the VEPro. If you mean the looks, it is quite a lot brighter than VE Pro :)

Thanks for answering.

When you are in VE pro you can edit the instrument ; is VE calling VI to do the editing ?

Will VE PRO call VI PRO to do the editing ?

Did you had a chance to test SSD 256 GB PCI E with VSL ?

I just bought one and found out it was not working on MAC !

Is there is a chance that you will be able to improve VSL loading time?

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 07:59
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1732
Dan Selby wrote:

Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.

Dan,

VIPro includes a background loading technology, which loads samples for all instances of VI Pro in the background, whether hosted in VEPro or in Cubase. Thus, a plugin loads pretty much instantly, so you can start working with your project.

Furthermore, VI Pro improves the "first startup" time on the system. While it could previously take minutes to scan content after a restart, this time is lowered to a few seconds.

Thanks,

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 08:03
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1732
Cyril wrote:

When you are in VE pro you can edit the instrument ; is VE calling VI to do the editing ?

Will VE PRO call VI PRO to do the editing ?

VI Pro will be integrated into VE Pro just like the VI is now. When VI Pro is installed, VE Pro will show further options to create VI Pro channels.

Cyril wrote:

Did you had a chance to test SSD 256 GB PCI E with VSL ?

Nope.

Cyril wrote:

Is there is a chance that you will be able to improve VSL loading time?

See previous post.

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 09:40
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

Hello Martin

These are Great Great new Smile

Looking forward to get it  Big Smile 

any idea of the scheduling ?

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:12
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Cyril wrote:
 

Looking forward to get it  Big Smile 

any idea of the scheduling ?

Best

Cyril

 

When it's ready, I would imagine. Wink

DG

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48GB RAM
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Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 16:47
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

Hi Martin,

Thanks for your reply.  However, this doesn't appear to be the case.  When my template metaframe loads upon Windows booting, VEPro creates my LASS instance and, shortly after the samples load into Kontakt which takes only seconds now with the Kontakt4.1 background loading.  I then get VEPro sitting there saying loading for several minutes.  Only then, does VEPro appear to move on and create the next instance in the Metaframe.

I haven't checked this (and can't at the moment), but I would imagine that if I loaded my Cubase template whilst VEPro is still loading the LASS instance then the later instances wouldn't be present and the Cubase template wouldn't be able to connect to them?  Is this not correct?

By way of contrast, if I load two instances of K4.1 directly in Cubase and load my LASS multis they take seconds to load (I understand that the background loading continues beyond that) and I am free to start work or load other instances of K4.1 etc.

MS wrote:
Dan Selby wrote:

Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.

Dan,

VIPro includes a background loading technology, which loads samples for all instances of VI Pro in the background, whether hosted in VEPro or in Cubase. Thus, a plugin loads pretty much instantly, so you can start working with your project.

Furthermore, VI Pro improves the "first startup" time on the system. While it could previously take minutes to scan content after a restart, this time is lowered to a few seconds.

Thanks,

Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 17:02
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1732

Dan,

VEPro does nothing different than Cubase when it comes to loading the chunk of data into Kontakt. Do you have anything else running in this VEPro instance besides Kontakt?

Thanks,

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2010 18:17
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

No.  Two instances of Kontakt 4.1 and a bunch of output channels (not that many) to send the outputs of Kontakt to.  VEPro loads the LASS instance then loads the first instance of K4.1 in it (LASS high) and the samples load (quickly, as I say).  Then I get a long wait with "Loading" on the screen.  Then it loads the second instance of K4.1 and its samples (LASS low) and then the same thing again - another long wait with Loading on the screen.  Then, after that, it instantiates the second instance of VEPro and starts loading my Tonehammer samples etc.

Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2010 00:48
by igor
Joined on Mon, Jul 31 2006, California, Posts 25

I'm having this identical problem.  Load LASS through Kontakt 4.1 straight into Logic and voila, super-fast loading time.  Load LASS into VEP and it takes roughly 10-times longer (no exaggeration).

Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2010 00:52
by igor
Joined on Mon, Jul 31 2006, California, Posts 25

I should also add that when I load up a huge LASS multi straight into Logic, all works fine.  Load it into VEP and suddenly I'm getting CPU overloads up the wazoo.

Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:09
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

Hello Martin

And what about VE PRO server 64 bit !

Will it load  all the VE PRO's at the same time ?

Have a good week-end

Best

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:43
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1732

Cyril,

yes - VEPro will load all VI Pro instances at once, and thus be instantly available for editing. The samples then get loaded one-after-another in the background.

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:16
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2636

GREAT

I am dying  to get it !

Thanks

Cyril

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Tue, Aug 03 2010 12:57
by Dan Selby
Joined on Thu, Sep 24 2009, Posts 10

bump for Martin or anyone from Vienna...

Dan Selby wrote:

No.  Two instances of Kontakt 4.1 and a
bunch of output channels (not that many) to send the outputs of Kontakt
to.  VEPro loads the LASS instance then loads the first instance of
K4.1 in it (LASS high) and the samples load (quickly, as I say).  Then I
get a long wait with "Loading" on the screen.  Then it loads the second
instance of K4.1 and its samples (LASS low) and then the same thing
again - another long wait with Loading on the screen.  Then, after that,
it instantiates the second instance of VEPro and starts loading my Tonehammer samples etc.

MS wrote:

Dan,

VEPro does nothing different than Cubase when it comes to loading the chunk of data into Kontakt. Do you have anything else running in this VEPro instance besides Kontakt?

Thanks,

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