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  • VEPro - Very slow loading times

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    I'm running Vienna Ensemble Pro Server v.4.0.6150 (64bit).  I have recently updated from Kontakt 3.5 to Kontakt 4.1 and the background loading is brilliant.  Loading two instances of Kontakt 4.1 with my full LASS template takes maybe 30 seconds.  That's when I load directly in Cubase but it's still taking several minutes to load when they are loaded in VE Pro server - the samples load very quickly into Kontakt but VEPro sits for ages after that with the "Loading" screen.

    Is this typical?  What's going on?

    Dan
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    I think this, long load times, can happen if the instance is 'coupled' with the sequencing host. Have you tried these kontakt LASS instances as metaframes decoupled from Cubase? My experience, Cubase on a master, VEP on a slave, is that it's MUCH faster loading where the VEP servers are decoupled from Cubase. I load the metaframes first, then connect Cubase to them from a decoupled basis.
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    Thanks for your reply.  No, that isn't it.  The instances are all decoupled in Cubase but I have it set up so that my template metaframe opens when Windows loads so Cubase isn't even open, anyway.
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    Hello

    VE PRO is great, it is a pity it is taking so long to load

    Just hoping that VSL is working on improving this, (and fix my flashing screen problem [;)] ) 

    Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Cyril said:

    Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

    What do you mean exactly? VI Pro is now a completely self-contained plugin, so you may host it natively as a 32- or 64-bit plugin on Mac, or in the VEPro. If you mean the looks, it is quite a lot brighter than VE Pro 😊
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    Hi Martin,

    Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.
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    Hello Martin

    @Cyril said:

    Is VE PRO going to have the same interface than VI PRO ?

    What do you mean exactly? VI Pro is now a completely self-contained plugin, so you may host it natively as a 32- or 64-bit plugin on Mac, or in the VEPro. If you mean the looks, it is quite a lot brighter than VE Pro 😊

    Thanks for answering.

    When you are in VE pro you can edit the instrument ; is VE calling VI to do the editing ?

    Will VE PRO call VI PRO to do the editing ?

    Did you had a chance to test SSD 256 GB PCI E with VSL ?

    I just bought one and found out it was not working on MAC !

    Is there is a chance that you will be able to improve VSL loading time?

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Dan Selby said:

    Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.

    Dan,

    VIPro includes a background loading technology, which loads samples for all instances of VI Pro in the background, whether hosted in VEPro or in Cubase. Thus, a plugin loads pretty much instantly, so you can start working with your project.

    Furthermore, VI Pro improves the "first startup" time on the system. While it could previously take minutes to scan content after a restart, this time is lowered to a few seconds.

    Thanks,
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    @Another User said:

    Is there is a chance that you will be able to improve VSL loading time?

    See previous post.
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    Cyril BlancC

    Hello Martin

    These are Great Great new [:)]

    Looking forward to get it  [:D] 

    any idea of the scheduling ?

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Cyril said:

     

    Looking forward to get it   

    any idea of the scheduling ?

    Best

    Cyril

     

    When it's ready, I would imagine. [;)]

    DG
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    Hi Martin,

    Thanks for your reply.  However, this doesn't appear to be the case.  When my template metaframe loads upon Windows booting, VEPro creates my LASS instance and, shortly after the samples load into Kontakt which takes only seconds now with the Kontakt4.1 background loading.  I then get VEPro sitting there saying loading for several minutes.  Only then, does VEPro appear to move on and create the next instance in the Metaframe.

    I haven't checked this (and can't at the moment), but I would imagine that if I loaded my Cubase template whilst VEPro is still loading the LASS instance then the later instances wouldn't be present and the Cubase template wouldn't be able to connect to them?  Is this not correct?

    By way of contrast, if I load two instances of K4.1 directly in Cubase and load my LASS multis they take seconds to load (I understand that the background loading continues beyond that) and I am free to start work or load other instances of K4.1 etc.

    @Dan Selby said:

    Are you able to help with my original post?  Thanks.

    Dan,

    VIPro includes a background loading technology, which loads samples for all instances of VI Pro in the background, whether hosted in VEPro or in Cubase. Thus, a plugin loads pretty much instantly, so you can start working with your project.

    Furthermore, VI Pro improves the "first startup" time on the system. While it could previously take minutes to scan content after a restart, this time is lowered to a few seconds.

    Thanks,
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    Dan,

    VEPro does nothing different than Cubase when it comes to loading the chunk of data into Kontakt. Do you have anything else running in this VEPro instance besides Kontakt?

    Thanks,
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    No.  Two instances of Kontakt 4.1 and a bunch of output channels (not that many) to send the outputs of Kontakt to.  VEPro loads the LASS instance then loads the first instance of K4.1 in it (LASS high) and the samples load (quickly, as I say).  Then I get a long wait with "Loading" on the screen.  Then it loads the second instance of K4.1 and its samples (LASS low) and then the same thing again - another long wait with Loading on the screen.  Then, after that, it instantiates the second instance of VEPro and starts loading my Tonehammer samples etc.
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    I'm having this identical problem.  Load LASS through Kontakt 4.1 straight into Logic and voila, super-fast loading time.  Load LASS into VEP and it takes roughly 10-times longer (no exaggeration).
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    I should also add that when I load up a huge LASS multi straight into Logic, all works fine.  Load it into VEP and suddenly I'm getting CPU overloads up the wazoo.
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Hello Martin

    And what about VE PRO server 64 bit !

    Will it load  all the VE PRO's at the same time ?

    Have a good week-end

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Cyril,

    yes - VEPro will load all VI Pro instances at once, and thus be instantly available for editing. The samples then get loaded one-after-another in the background.
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    GREAT

    I am dying  to get it !

    Thanks

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    bump for Martin or anyone from Vienna...

    @MS said:

    Dan,

    VEPro does nothing different than Cubase when it comes to loading the chunk of data into Kontakt. Do you have anything else running in this VEPro instance besides Kontakt?

    Thanks,