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First Observations - VI-PRO
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 05:52
by Chuck Green
Joined on Thu, Dec 21 2006, Ann Arbor, MI (USA), Posts 518

I have to say, while using VI-PRO for the past couple of hours, some noticeable improvements in the new interface is greatly welcomed.  I love the fact that the instrument now on the Mac Platform pops up in the sequencer just like the native instruments - not having to access through the server window.  I also love the fact that we now have Program Change options that appear to work correctly in Pro Tools and it starts with 1.  In the past I had to use program change 102 in order to get 101 in the instrument.  Now 1 means 1, 2 means 2, etc.

One note, in the documentation it states that what opening old project, one will be asked if they wish to use VI-PRO?  In Pro Tools that isn't the case.  One has to reload in the instrument and it's matrix.  Not sure if the docs only mean while using VE-PRO and VI-PRO.  Please clarify....

Thanks

Chuck Green
Website: http://soundcloud.com/chuckgreenjr
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 09:58
by The Minstrel
Joined on Fri, Oct 16 2009, Sweden, Posts 122
Chuck Green wrote:
One note, in the documentation it states that what opening old project, one will be asked if they wish to use VI-PRO?  In Pro Tools that isn't the case.  One has to reload in the instrument and it's matrix.  Not sure if the docs only mean while using VE-PRO and VI-PRO.  Please clarify....

Not the case in Cubase either. But I would assume it only works when using VE-Pro, as I don't see how it could be pulled of in a host not created by VSL. Perhaps if they made the VI-instrument scan for the existence of VI-Pro, but I imagine it would still be problematic to convience the host to exchange the reqested VSTi for another one.
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 10:55
by anton
Joined on Wed, Oct 29 2003, Posts 432

Not in case of Logic, i've opened an "old" project and no "ask" for VIPRO or "Classic".... maybe miss something ?

-A
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 13:01
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13900

Hi,

thanks for the input, I have anticipated this feature, which didn´t make it to this first release version.

The manual will be updated soon, happy to hear your ideas!

Enjoy VI PRO!

Best,

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 17:44
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270

Hey there Paul,

I'm one of those Logic users that's still using the 32-bit version because Altiverb isn't 64-bit yet. Any chance we'll get a feature from Vienna that's similar to Kontakt's Memory Server, where samples get loaded outside of Logic's RAM, so you can avoid hitting Logic's RAM ceiling?

Kerry
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 17:59
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
KMuzzey wrote:

Hey there Paul,

I'm one of those Logic users that's still using the 32-bit version because Altiverb isn't 64-bit yet. Any chance we'll get a feature from Vienna that's similar to Kontakt's Memory Server, where samples get loaded outside of Logic's RAM, so you can avoid hitting Logic's RAM ceiling?

Kerry

 

This is what the legacy VI has been doing for years and Logic users have been complaining about for years. Wink

I would suggest using VE Pro and then you can use all the memory (and cores) that Logic doesn't.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 18:05
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270

Wait... so every time I open a classic instance of VI in Logic, it's loading samples into system RAM and not Logic's RAM?  No way!!  I love that!

And I do have VE Pro but no longer use it networked to my other Mac, so it's sitting here, dormant.  If I use VE Pro as a plugin in Logic, on just one Mac, it loads everything into system RAM instead of Logic's RAM?

Please say "yes" to both and you will make me one very happy composer.  :)

Kerry
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 18:28
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
KMuzzey wrote:

Wait... so every time I open a classic instance of VI in Logic, it's loading samples into system RAM and not Logic's RAM?  No way!!  I love that!

And I do have VE Pro but no longer use it networked to my other Mac, so it's sitting here, dormant.  If I use VE Pro as a plugin in Logic, on just one Mac, it loads everything into system RAM instead of Logic's RAM?

Please say "yes" to both and you will make me one very happy composer.  :)

Kerry

 

1) Yes, as long as you're not using the 64bit version, I think. You can easily check yourself.

2) Yes.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
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Intensity
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 18:57
by pianoman
Joined on Fri, Mar 25 2005, USA, Posts 62

Wow!  This is by far the the greatest innovation in the virtual instrument world ever!!! It is as if Heaven has desended to earth in the form of a virtual instrument!  I'm sitting here playing this with tears rolling down my face....Everything I had ever hoped it would be, it is now...Truly unbelievable...Thank you VSL Team!!!
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 19:47
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270

+1    Thanks DG  :)
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 20:28
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 266

I have your same setup, but I use Logic 9.1.1 in 64 bit (OSX 10.6.4)  and 2 instances of VE Pro (with 16 VI instances each) on the same computer, and a couple instances of Altiverb, that Logic accesses by a 32 bit bridge.

Cubase, PC. Dorico.
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Posted on Sat, Aug 21 2010 22:11
by musos
Joined on Sun, Dec 08 2002, Johannesburg, South Africa, Posts 916

Back to first observations if I may...

I really like:

- The fast loading time of the plugin

- The fact that there is no "intermediate" window - at last!! Yippee - thanks!!

- The keyswitch visibilty and info is excellent

- The little yellow tool tips are most helpful

- Humanize promises to be useful

- The mixer with power pan is a great bonus

- Of course all the other new features are incredible - too many to mention

Some small issues:

- Some info in the File Browser gets cut off because the space is too small

- Similarly, long names in the Matrix list are cut off

Both of these could be fixed by making the plugin GUI a little wider or larger in general

- The GUI is a little too bright for my personal taste. I feel some areas could also have a higher contrast for better legibility

All in all.....

A ***HUGE*** round of applause to the VSL team for an exceptional new interface for an already exceptional product.

Well done.

Regards - Colin
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 02:54
by mkapou
Joined on Wed, Jan 02 2008, Posts 21
musos wrote:

All in all.....

A ***HUGE*** round of applause to the VSL team for an exceptional new interface for an already exceptional product.

Well done.

Agreed! Love the easy volume mapping and key range controls.

But why can't we have a usable ADSR envelope? Am I the only one who whishes there was one?
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 10:36
by smallfry
Joined on Mon, Feb 11 2008, Australia, Posts 44

I think it's great too. A question though. When I load something like Violin solo Perf-Legato Speed+porta, the interval mode is by default set to poly. Is this correct? In the regular VI it 's default was always mono so that you could play mono legato lines straight away. 
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 10:40
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
smallfry wrote:

I think it's great too. A question though. When I load something like Violin solo Perf-Legato Speed+porta, the interval mode is by default set to poly. Is this correct? In the regular VI it 's default was always mono so that you could play mono legato lines straight away. 

 

If you go to the advanced view you can set it globally to be Mono. then you can decide on a patch be patch basis whether or not to change this.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 19:26
by MarkRussell
Joined on Fri, Apr 25 2003, Oxford, Posts 5

How does Vienna Instruments Pro work with Ensemble Pro? I use Vienna Ensemble Pro on 2 external computers feeding into Logic 9.1
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 22:24
by Chuck Green
Joined on Thu, Dec 21 2006, Ann Arbor, MI (USA), Posts 518

Running into an issue here.  After playing around with the new interface, I decided to make a template in Logic 9.  I have 34 tracks with 34 instances of VI-PRO.  Currently only the first two are loaded with a single patch.  I have the reverb shut down on all instances.  Currently - no reverb at all.

The first track, Piccolo plays fine until I exit Logic and then reload.  When I reload, there appears to be an overload on my Apogee ensemble sound interface.  The only way I found to get out of trouble is to dump the first instance and reload.  Then everything is ok until I exit and restart Logic.  

It doesn't have to be the first track.  The second track is loaded with 3 Flute Sustain only.  If I play that track first after a restart, the same thing happens.  Again, dumping VI and reloading it solves the issue until the next exit and restart.

Any ideas what might be happening here?  I've tried buffers 512 and 1024 with no difference.  Project currently set at 44.100 kHz and I've also tried 48.000 kHz.  No change....

MacPro 16GB, 3.0 Ghz.... 

Chuck Green
Website: http://soundcloud.com/chuckgreenjr
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 22:42
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

Hi Paul, Vi pro seems really great. I had some time to play with it for a couple of hours today. Still wondering why Vi pro is not supported in MIR yet? this seems super strange for me. Am I missing something in the installation?? thanks
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Posted on Mon, Aug 23 2010 07:30
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
hose wrote:

Hi Paul, Vi pro seems really great. I had some time to play with it for a couple of hours today. Still wondering why Vi pro is not supported in MIR yet? this seems super strange for me. Am I missing something in the installation?? thanks

 

 I think that you're missing the fact that there are a limited number of hours in every day. Even software developers have to sleep. Wink

You can current;y load it as a VSTi, in the same way as you would load Kontakt or any other VSTi

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
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Posted on Mon, Aug 23 2010 09:20
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 266

Hi any comments from VSL concerning CPU usage for the new VI Pro? With all the new features, I'm sure that it can get pretty hungry!

Also any comments about multi-core support? Is that dependent on the plug (VI Pro), the program (Logic, for example), the system (OSX 10.6.4), or other? Drinks

Cubase, PC. Dorico.
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