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Posted on Tue, Sep 21 2010 07:49
by Agostino
Joined on Fri, Dec 25 2009, France, Posts 26
Hello,

I would like to understand something more about MIR.

The main features of this product are the reverb, that looks awesome, and the unprecedented fact that you can collocate the instruments in a precise position on the "stage".

My question is: is the fact that you can decide the exact position of each instrument a real advantage? Do you see any difference, even slight, for what regards the instruments separation, and the quality of the mixes? In general, in my experience, it is quite difficult to obtain a good instruments separation, especially when using good amounts of reverb.

I would appreciate any feedback from MIR users, thank you in advance!
Posted on Tue, Sep 21 2010 16:43
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 758

It works a treat and is as easy as pie. Download the demo and experience the joy.

David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

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Posted on Tue, Sep 21 2010 22:15
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

Hi Agostino,

thanks for your interest in Vienna MIR.

Just to avoid the usual misunderstanding: MIR is about _space_ (or room, if you want), and the interaction of instruments with it. Sometimes this means that there will be reverb, but there are also good examples of easily perceivable space between instruments - without the slightest hint of reverb in the common sense of the word.

To make more understandable what I'm talking about, I usually link to this demo piece:

-> http://vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=1&DemoID=5501

Enjoy! :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Sep 22 2010 15:44
by doubleattack
Joined on Fri, Jul 09 2010, Leipzig, Germany, Posts 237
Hello Agostino, as an enthralled user of MIR I have only to say: MIR is a really invention! Cause the developers of this tool has given me cababilities, which I don't really have. I'm a unemployable sound engineer measured to my skills writing music. Now I'm able to express my ideas in a professional way in relation to mix. Thats the huge different to every other tool for music production on the market. To make an assertion - MIR will be the future for music production. Thats my independent opinion, I'm a normaly user - I'm really enthralled! So, if you aiming to real instrument seperation and precise position on the "stage" - you got it with MIR in a piece of cake!
Posted on Fri, Sep 24 2010 00:03
by Stephen W. Beatty
Joined on Sun, Apr 27 2003, Wheat Ridge,CO, Posts 238

Hi Agostino, 

I have 45 videos posted on my you tube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/Bachbeatty The underscores were all performed using Vienna Instruments and Vienna MIR. The venues are listed in the credits, the later posts include microphone setup and the MIR Graphic of the orchestra. 

Enjoy, 

Stephen W. Beatty

SWBEATTY
Posted on Fri, Sep 24 2010 19:21
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5527

 

Agostino wrote:
question is: is the fact that you can decide the exact position of each instrument a real advantage? Do you see any difference, even slight, for what regards the instruments separation, and the quality of the mixes?

This is a huge advantage because that is what is so hard to do in a mix - the exact placement, size and reverb in relation to each other.  And MIR does it in one simple move!  It is incredible.  I have used a lot of professional audio and video software and MIR is the best software of any kind I have ever had.  Its interface is absolutely intuitive for musicians, and allows you to focus on the musical elements just like a conductor arranging his orchestra - no hype.    It is total fun to use and results in the best sound I've ever heard for samples, and on top of that it is exactly tweaked to fit the VSL samples. 

Right now I am mixing a very large orchestral piece with it and it is so easy to do compared to all the older techniques.  Nothing else comes close.    Anyone using VSL has simply got to obtain this awesome piece of software.

Posted on Fri, Oct 01 2010 16:12
by Agostino
Joined on Fri, Dec 25 2009, France, Posts 26
Hi Stephen,

Thank you for your reply. I watched some of your videos, and liked the music and the realism of the sounds very much, I also added you as friend on Youtube.
Just one more question: can you tell me if the "noise" in the background of the pieces in your videos is part of the Mir reverb, of if it comes from somewhere else?

Thank you again, and have a great weekend!

Agostino
Posted on Fri, Oct 01 2010 16:41
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451

May I jump in here:

The noise you hear is most likely MIR's unique "RoomTone" feature. Basically this is the natural noise floor that's inherent to any room. Some people call it the "soul" of a hall ... ;-)

Technically, you could look at it as natural dithering that prevents the reverb tails from simply ending in cold digital silence (aka. "digital black"), but in a warm bed of noise.

Individual RoomTones are available for each microphone position in all of MIR's Venues. They will also decode properly to all output formats and microphone setups (and thus the RoomTone changes its color when changing these parameters). RoomTone has a dedicated volume control, and of course you can simply switch it off when you don't need it. :-)

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Oct 01 2010 18:11
by Agostino
Joined on Fri, Dec 25 2009, France, Posts 26
Thank you Dietz and you all for your very useful replies!
Have a beautiful weekend

Agostino
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