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Bernard Herrmann - Unconventional orchestrations
Last post Mon, Aug 13 2012 by kleinholgi, 92 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 15:34
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5707

No, there is a difference between a "romcom" and a classic film.  A romcom is the new, ultimate conventionalization of what used to be a light love story.  There were many great examples of this.  But it is now been so watered down and assembly-line manufactured that it is meaningless drivel. 

 A classic film is absolutely different.  It exists in NO CATEGORY.  It is simply a great film of any kind. Truffaut and Goddard and other great filmmakers deliberately avoided these mindless conventionalizations.  What they did isn't simply another interchangeable category as you cynically suggest. 

Also, I am so tired of people saying "filmmaking is storytelling."  It is ANYTHING the filmmaker wants it to be - including pure abstraction,  avant garde animation, documentary realism, anti-storytelling, ANYTHING.  It is NOT merely storytelling even if the increasingly idiotic "industry" conceives of it that way.  

Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 16:11
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582
William wrote:

Also, I am so tired of people saying "filmmaking is storytelling."  It is ANYTHING the filmmaker wants it to be - including pure abstraction,  avant garde animation, documentary realism, anti-storytelling, ANYTHING. 

 

And unfortunately, this "idiotic industry" has succedeed in categorized these types of films as well.  They're called 'Art Films.'  

Speaking of the idiotic industry isn't the Academy Awards on tonight?  Does anybody even pay any attention to the Academy Awards anymore? 


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 16:33
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1107

I'll be the first to admit that more than half the Star Trek films were a disappointment compared to the best TV episodes. But to compare the worst of them (say IV? At least that's the worst musically) to cinematic landmarks like: 'Never Been Kissed', 'Girl, Interrupted', 'Nine Months', 'Sex and the City', 'Look Who's Talking' series, 'What Women Want' etc.... please... I would rather sit through the Lorenzo Lamas film of your choice, a Bulgarian existential film without subtitles, or Warhol's 'Sleep' rather than any of the above. 

If you itch for castration or it has already been done for you - especially the younger generation - by all means get comfortable on the couch; otherwise, I agree; don't hold these movies under your nose; they stink!!

And let's take this away from Herrmann's thread. What sacrilege!

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 16:40
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1107
jasensmith wrote:

Speaking of the idiotic industry isn't the Academy Awards on tonight?  Does anybody even pay any attention to the Academy Awards anymore? 

I hear this year instead of an orchestra they're using a three-fingered composer with his Anemato - Cinescamples - Scorephobia computer setup.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 18:28
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
Errikos wrote:

 I always said to women I dated (briefly of course if they enjoyed such tripe), every time they dragged me to one of those flicks, they HAD to sit through a van Damme, Seagal, or (for the persistent ones) Norris video the following time. 

You're an amateur Erik. I had one girlfriend who annoyed me so much I took her to the midnight showing of 10 Rillington Place and then made her walk back to her hotel alone. That's punishment for being mentally obese!!!!!  I admit I never had a girlfriend from Newcastle or even the north in general. Why?? Because I DIDN'T TO WANT TO DIE!!!!

Anyone interested in romantic films should start off with something like Bringing up Baby and work down from there.

Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 23:37
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5707

 Yes, that would be a good one,  or perhaps It Happened One Night or The Philadelphia Story. 

Posted on Sun, Feb 27 2011 23:47
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1107
PaulR wrote:

I had one girlfriend who annoyed me so much I took her to the midnight showing of 10 Rillington Place 

That's nothing compared to what we guys have to go through... My erstwhile long-time girlfriend took me to see 'Sleepless in Seattle' which led to a massive quarrel afterwards, but much-much worse, another hopeful thought was doing us a favour by taking me to see an execrable, miserable, fully castrating and sex-changing misandrist (man-hating) cowpat of a film called 'Closer', starring Jude Law etc. There is no C-grade untranslated chinese action or slash horror flick that can possibly be deemed appropriate reprisal. Avoid at all costs!

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Feb 28 2011 16:44
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
Errikos wrote:
PaulR wrote:

I had one girlfriend who annoyed me so much I took her to the midnight showing of 10 Rillington Place 

That's nothing compared to what we guys have to go through... My erstwhile long-time girlfriend took me to see 'Sleepless in Seattle' Avoid at all costs!

I was down to see that once but managed to get out of it claiming the village were playing BPR that night.

True story. A guy from here in Devon who was basically a drunk, went to Japan on business. Spoke no Japanese whatsoever and while there, got friendly, presumably through sign language, with a Japanese girl who spoke no English at all, and invited her to come and visit in England.

Miraculously she came over a few months later. Still spoke absolutely no English. The flight took forever and this girl was jet - lagged seriously badly. Like coming from Mars on BA.  On arrival the guy said we're going to the cinema in 45 miutes (in sign language) and promptly took her off to see...........

Pearl Harbour!!!!

Good fucking choice right there!

What is worse is that it's a terrible film and the award for extreme bad taste went to the guy with the Japanese girlfriend that year!

Posted on Mon, Feb 28 2011 18:48
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582
Errikos wrote:

Romantic Comedy = Castration Ceremony. No exceptions. I always said to women I dated (briefly of course if they enjoyed such tripe), every time they dragged me to one of those flicks, they HAD to sit through a van Damme, Seagal, or (for the persistent ones) Norris video the following time. Yes, I had to sit through them as well, but this worked like a charm! After a couple of times, we always went to something we both wanted to see, and they resorted to seeing those bile-oozing cinematic masterstrokes with their girlfriends instead.

 

Actually, If I had to sit through a Romcom I would make my date sit through one of those aforementioned 'Art Films.'  Any of the more abstract offerings from Tarkovskyif I really hated the movie but if I found it tolerable I would give her a break and we'd watch 2001: A Space Odyssey instead.

Here's a true story about Sleepless in Seattle.  A friend of mine who is a really good sax player wanted to serenade his girlfriend.  We were double dating one night and after we had a few drinks we decided to catch a flick.  We (the guys) wanted to see Jurassic Park while the girls wanted to see Sleepless in Seattle.  Needless to say the girls won out.  So we arrive at the cinema and after some discussion with the manager he let my friend into the theater with his saxophone case.  Apparently the manager was a little worried that we were trying to sneak concessions into the theater.  Once he realized it was just a saxophone in the case he let us in.  My friend played at the bar we just came from.  Throughout the film, my tipsy friend kept leaning over and asking if I was sure that serenading his girlfriend was a good idea.  The beer on his breath was burning my nose hairs so, to shut him up, I said "yeah it's a great idea do it.  Now stop breathing on me."  Although Paul was a good sax player he was lacking in the sound judgment department.  Right there in the middle of the movie he gets up and starts playing his sax to serenade her.  All I remember thinking was, he's a better player drunk than sober.  A big guy sitting behind us with his date stands up and says, "if you don't stop blowing that thing I'm going to shove it up your a$$."  I guess he was a bit upset that his date was making him watch this and not Jurassic Park too.

The manager kicked us out.  Can anybody tell me what happened at the end of Sleepless in Seattle?  I still haven't finished it.    


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Mon, Feb 28 2011 21:46
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1107

I know what I would like to see on the 'Director's Cut Extended Alternate Ending' of that movie: Tom Hanks grabs Ryan(?) by the scruff and hurls her from the top of the Empire State Building yelling "Do you find THIS romantic you heartless whore?!"; that would bring a tear to my eye (oh joy).

Never let a date pick the movie unless you haven't slept with her yet, and believe the odds are overwhelmingly in your favour that you will. They're bound to take you to a 2-hour torture chamber...

Guys check the winning score segment I thoughtfully provided on the other thread... I'd like your take on that.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Feb 28 2011 22:22
by kleinholgi
Joined on Sat, May 09 2009, Posts 171

"On arrival the guy said we're going to the cinema in 45 miutes (in sign language) and promptly took her off to see...........

Pearl Harbour!!!!"

Geeked

He got, what he deserved....

Pearl Harbor is one of the leaders in a category of film as worse as the romcoms :

Military Love comedy action desaster.

You can´t stand the story, the actors, the plot, the stupid characters and finally the bad soundtracks. I´m not a big fan of brass in general, but here it is performed in the worst kind of what I call " Jerry Br/Fuckheimer Brass"

"And now we are zooming out of the loving couple "Oh sweetie I love you sooo much" and while moving the camera crane backwards, 2 Bradley hunting tanks come into the exposure field, with the american flag bound around their weapon towers. To make the final kiss complete, a delta formation of A10 anti tank fighters in low altitude wave their wings to congratulate Romeo and Julia on their way to the church....."

Taking a girl into such at film - I can´t believe it.

With the romcoms, at least you might get your chance afterwards.....

On the other hand I remember indeed having been in Odyssee 2001 with a girl - unfortunately without romantic comedy later on :)

So the Rolling Stones are right : You can´t always get what you want.

Posted on Mon, Aug 13 2012 21:37
by kleinholgi
Joined on Sat, May 09 2009, Posts 171

Are there any opinions on the Prometheus soundtrack ?

Watched it a few days ago and only now felt, that the soundtrack was either very much supporting the photography on one hand, or not very interesting on the other hand.

Actually I couldn´t remember what it was. But when hearing into it now, it sounds not that bad and has some unconventional elements in it. Also it feels very "organic" ( I think that´s the description R. Scott had for the great Alien 1 soundtrack)

At least it´s no Bruckheimer/Zimmer desaster.

Unfortunately no real "hookline" to remember.

The music seems to be just like the movie itself: Great atmosphere, but a bit weak in story and basic plot ( melodic composition).

Not listened right through the end, because " It was so long" Big Smile

Some elements sound a bit copied from other scores, but let´s put it in that way : It could be worse.

It´s not Goldsmith, O.K., but I cannot say: "It was so wrong".

Greetz

kh

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