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Last post Sun, Dec 26 2010 by JET, 12 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Dec 23 2010 17:59
by burchmusic
Joined on Sun, Aug 28 2005, Camarillo, CA, USA, Posts 28

I'm looking for a muted trumpet sound. Does anyone know if it exists. I bought the Pro Edition of VSL in 2002.

Steve

Steve Burch
Posted on Fri, Dec 24 2010 21:37
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 258

It's in the Special Edition and bigger libraries.

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Posted on Fri, Dec 24 2010 21:52
by burchmusic
Joined on Sun, Aug 28 2005, Camarillo, CA, USA, Posts 28

Thanks.

Steve Burch
Posted on Sat, Dec 25 2010 18:41
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646

Only Harmon mutes are available in VSL, no straight mutes. Harmon mutes are of course identified mainly with Jazz. Straight mutes with Classical. VSL obviously made this decision as their emphasis has always been on Jazz primarily with an occasional instrument intended for the orchestra ; )

Dave Connor
Posted on Sat, Dec 25 2010 21:48
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1636

Brass I has a muted trumpet in C. and a tenor trombone with a mute. 'Trumpet in C' will be pretty classical I think.

Warp IV (Jeff Steinman) has some really good muted trumpets, harmon stem, cups, everything. Some of them have a very usable legato for solos.

They sound fantastic. I've been using these alongside the Bb trumpet and flugelhorn of VSL to get a best of both worlds. The VSL Bb trumpet uses a very classical embouchere and attack, Warp IV does the other thing. Flugelhorn straddles the border some.

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Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 15:42
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 258

A little muted confusion here. If I have my names correct, it’s the straight mutes used by VSL, which are those used in classical orchestral setups. For harmons (think Miles Davis), you’d want to look elsewhere..... Drinks

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Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 16:42
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646

No they are harmon mutes.I asked Herb a long time ago. If they had straight mutes I would be using them all the time.

Dave Connor
Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 17:09
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1636

Harmon makes a straight mute, as well as what is usually thought of, which has a stem [which can change the effect dramatically] which can be removed. And a convertible 'triple play'. Steinman's product gives you 'cup', 'Harmon', 'Harmon stem' and 'straight'.

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Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 17:35
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 258

Maybe a trumpet play could bring some clarification. Here’s some text from an orchestration book by Kent Kennan, "To the symphony player, "mute" means the straight mute unless another kind is indicated. The straight mute, made of wood, fiber, plastic or metal, produces a cutting, nasal quality....

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Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 19:43
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646

Here is clarification: When a brass player sees "mutes" in his score he will will always apply straight mutes unless specified otherwise with directions like "harmon" or "bucket" or "plunger" etc. The default in the classical literature is a straight mute. In fact use of other mutes are rare when compared to the straight mute particularly in the first half of the 20th century.

Dave Connor
Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 19:54
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1636

thanks, good to know. I had no idea about classical orch. practice. I began with trumpet, my father's idea [Maynard Ferguson] was behind that.

So 'con sordino' indicates a straight mute when you see it on a score. I would've guessed a classical mute would be a softer effect than a straight mute.

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Posted on Sun, Dec 26 2010 19:55
by JET
Joined on Wed, Nov 10 2010, Posts 60

I can confirm what Dave wrote. To a trumpet player the term mute means straight mute by default. Any other mute should be specified.

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