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Keyswitching in VI
Last post Mon, Feb 14 2011 by MarkSealey, 17 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:14
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

… new to Vienna (am using VI Special as Logic plug-in); please forgive if this has an obvious answer.

I can switch between articulations in a simple 2-cell (horizontal or vertical) matrix using CC#1 etc.

When I click on 1A-1B or 1A-2A the articulation switches while playing my Logic Track.

But I can't see how to make this happen in Logic Pro 9's Piano Roll editor by penciling in, say, C0 to 'activate' cell 1A and C#1 for cell 1B etc.

At this stage, to teach myself, all I want to do is switch between violin legato and violin pizzicato.

It must be simple. Thanks!

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 04:51
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2697

There is no VI special, it's either VI or VI PRO, wich one are you using ?

What lib do you use ?

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 05:02
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

VI with the Special Edition library… sorry.

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 05:43
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2697

If you can afford gettig VI PRO, it is very simple as the notes that does the keyswitching are in another color on the keyboard (there is a free trial at http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Musique.php

If not, you open the Matrix window on the right you have the note that is doing the keyswith

At  the bottom of the screen you have the note that are used to Keyswitch the pattern

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 05:55
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

Cyril,

I may get VI Pro one day. For the moment, staying with VI:

Cyril wrote:
…open the Matrix window on the right you have the note that is doing the keyswith

I see two notes in Control Edit - in H-SPAN or V-SPAN

Cyril wrote:
At  the bottom of the screen you have the note that are used to Keyswitch the pattern

I see one note next to 'Keyswitch', Yes. It controls which note is used for both of my two cells.

Sorry; still confused :-(

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 06:26
by emspace
Joined on Sat, Oct 03 2009, Posts 53

I'm having a hard time following along based on how you've described your issue so far. Can you please take a screenshot of your VI setup (with the Control Edit tab active) and upload it to imgur.com (or a similar free image hosting site) so we can take a look?

Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 09:50
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2697

I am not in front of my Musical Computer

You should watch the video tutorials

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 10:20
by emspace
Joined on Sat, Oct 03 2009, Posts 53
Cyril wrote:

I am not in front of my Musical Computer

You should watch the video tutorials

I was talking to MarkSealey :)

Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 15:45
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

emspace, thanks; sorry not to have been clearer; thanks for your help; Cyril, Yes, have been through the video tutorials several times.

I just recreated from scratch:

On the left - in the Workspace - 'C0' is indicated; on the right - in Control Edit - both C1 and C#1. Why two sets? Why both C1 and C#1 in V-SPAN

In Logic Pro 9 I have MIDI event notes corresponding to C1 (at the start of Bar 1) and C#1 at the start of Bar 3.

Although I can hear the sustain (cell 1A) and pizzicato (cell 1B) when I click on those in VI, and indeed if I assign CC #1 to the change and move the Mod wheel, when I play the Track in Logic, I only hear whichever cell in VI was last clicked/selected.

IOW no actual switching.

I know this'll be utterly simple. Thanks so much :-).

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 15:49
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

 I would imagine that you are putting the keyswitch in the wrong octave. Remember that Logic thinks C3 is Middle C, whereas VSL uses C4.

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 16:03
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

DG,

Yes, thanks; I thought of that.

At times I have been able to switch one way by setting an octave higher/lower. But can't get it to stay: whichever it switches to stays switched when it begins the loop with which I'm testing again!

What's the difference between the two keyswitching places… on the left and right, please? Then I can at least make sure I'm setting in the right place!

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 16:32
by kleinholgi
Joined on Sat, May 09 2009, Posts 171

I would use a keyboard instead. There you can directly test, which key works for the keyswitch - just try any C or whatever key - one will be the right one :)

Then record it in Logic and open the piano roll editor afterwards to see which "C" it was, since different equipment handles the octaves differently ( C3 on one Masterkeyboard can be C4 on another one, also depending on individual setups and key shift parameters) .

Don´t worry about it, just find out by try and error - it´s a question of seconds.

Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 17:36
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

kleinholgi,

Yes; thanks; you're so right. Then look at Lists and see which event was triggered successfully. Thanks.

But it should always be a key within the patch range, shouldn't it?

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Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 18:00
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
MarkSealey wrote:

 But it should always be a key within the patch range, shouldn't it?

 No, the keyswitches should be outside the patch range, as you need to use keyswitch notes that don't try to play a note

Posted on Sun, Feb 13 2011 19:11
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

Andy,

:-(

Thanks.  I have been wrong then, haven't I, in assuming that the tilde ~ in a cell indicated outside the patch range.

What does tilde mean?

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Posted on Mon, Feb 14 2011 01:27
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 In the Key Range, the tilde just means "-1", it's the octave below C0, so B~ is the note below C0

Posted on Mon, Feb 14 2011 05:15
by MarkSealey
Joined on Sat, Feb 05 2011, Southern California, Posts 68

Thanks, Andy!

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