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  • Keyswitching in VI

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    M

    … new to Vienna (am using VI Special as Logic plug-in); please forgive if this has an obvious answer.

    I can switch between articulations in a simple 2-cell (horizontal or vertical) matrix using CC#1 etc.

    When I click on 1A-1B or 1A-2A the articulation switches while playing my Logic Track.

    But I can't see how to make this happen in Logic Pro 9's Piano Roll editor by penciling in, say, C0 to 'activate' cell 1A and C#1 for cell 1B etc.

    At this stage, to teach myself, all I want to do is switch between violin legato and violin pizzicato.

    It must be simple. Thanks!
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    There is no VI special, it's either VI or VI PRO, wich one are you using ?

    What lib do you use ?

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • M
    M

    VI with the Special Edition library… sorry.
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    If you can afford gettig VI PRO, it is very simple as the notes that does the keyswitching are in another color on the keyboard (there is a free trial at http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Musique.php

    If not, you open the Matrix window on the right you have the note that is doing the keyswith

    At  the bottom of the screen you have the note that are used to Keyswitch the pattern

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Cyril,

    I may get VI Pro one day. For the moment, staying with VI:

    @Another User said:

    At  the bottom of the screen you have the note that are used to Keyswitch the pattern

    I see one note next to 'Keyswitch', Yes. It controls which note is used for both of my two cells.

    Sorry; still confused 😞
  • E
    E

    I'm having a hard time following along based on how you've described your issue so far. Can you please take a screenshot of your VI setup (with the Control Edit tab active) and upload it to imgur.com (or a similar free image hosting site) so we can take a look?
  • Cyril BlancC
    Cyril BlancC

    I am not in front of my Musical Computer

    You should watch the video tutorials

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @Cyril said:

    I am not in front of my Musical Computer

    You should watch the video tutorials

    I was talking to MarkSealey 😊
  • M
    M

    emspace, thanks; sorry not to have been clearer; thanks for your help; Cyril, Yes, have been through the video tutorials several times.

    I just recreated from scratch:

    On the left - in the Workspace - 'C0' is indicated; on the right - in Control Edit - both C1 and C#1. Why two sets? Why both C1 and C#1 in V-SPAN

    In Logic Pro 9 I have MIDI event notes corresponding to C1 (at the start of Bar 1) and C#1 at the start of Bar 3.

    Although I can hear the sustain (cell 1A) and pizzicato (cell 1B) when I click on those in VI, and indeed if I assign CC #1 to the change and move the Mod wheel, when I play the Track in Logic, I only hear whichever cell in VI was last clicked/selected.

    IOW no actual switching.

    I know this'll be utterly simple. Thanks so much :-).

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  • D
    D

     I would imagine that you are putting the keyswitch in the wrong octave. Remember that Logic thinks C3 is Middle C, whereas VSL uses C4.

    DG
  • M
    M

    DG,

    Yes, thanks; I thought of that.

    At times I have been able to switch one way by setting an octave higher/lower. But can't get it to stay: whichever it switches to stays switched when it begins the loop with which I'm testing again!

    What's the difference between the two keyswitching places… on the left and right, please? Then I can at least make sure I'm setting in the right place!
  • K
    K

    I would use a keyboard instead. There you can directly test, which key works for the keyswitch - just try any C or whatever key - one will be the right one :)

    Then record it in Logic and open the piano roll editor afterwards to see which "C" it was, since different equipment handles the octaves differently ( C3 on one Masterkeyboard can be C4 on another one, also depending on individual setups and key shift parameters) .

    Don´t worry about it, just find out by try and error - it´s a question of seconds.
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    kleinholgi,

    Yes; thanks; you're so right. Then look at Lists and see which event was triggered successfully. Thanks.

    But it should always be a key within the patch range, shouldn't it?
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    @MarkSealey said:

     But it should always be a key within the patch range, shouldn't it?

     No, the keyswitches should be outside the patch range, as you need to use keyswitch notes that don't try to play a note
  • M
    M

    Andy,

    :-(

    Thanks.  I have been wrong then, haven't I, in assuming that the tilde ~ in a cell indicated outside the patch range.

    What does tilde mean?
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    A

     In the Key Range, the tilde just means "-1", it's the octave below C0, so B~ is the note below C0
  • M
    M

    Thanks, Andy!