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Posted on Sat, Jun 11 2011 21:00
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

I think the price of MIR should not be to pricy but not to cheap to..

As a professonal composer, I'm not sure to buy it if it's more than 1000$. I would prefer buying a piece of hardware like a mic pre before this amazing but not essential software. 

On the other hand, It may be better to support VSL's software developpment so they'll keep making good softwares. Making good software have a cost. (Yes Sergio, I have edited my post, it was not exactly what I was trying to say. I wish it will be as affordable as possible for everyone.)

My opinion is that MIR Pro should be offer at the same price (795euro) as the actual MIR, and this one should get a price drop (around 450Euro) if not discontinued. But this is just my personal opinion, I'm not aware of the developpement cost of such sotware, neither what is a good marketing strategy.

But I wish it's gonna be cheap enough to add it to my set up this year.

Fred

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Sat, Jun 11 2011 21:25
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Italy, Posts 652
FredB wrote:
I think the price of MIR should not be to pricy but not to cheep to..

Dear Fred,

if you are a professional composer, why don't you keep on composing and stop writing useless and dangerous things.

I  don't  own a normal laptop with a single drive. Nevertheless I would like all the world working or just having fun with MIR, even with just only one instrument. Maybe you fear somebody clever than you could write music  better than yours?

Maybe Dietz and Paul and Company are masochist and like lots of customer complaints, what do we know?

I don't see why people started talking of marketing and  money and not of music and Vienna products.

Sergio

www.sergiobrunetti.it
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2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
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VE Pro 6, VI Pro 2, Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR Pro w/Roompacks 1 and 2,
Libraries (preload size 2408): Special Edition Standard and Plus, Appassionata I, Solo Strings I, Dimension Brass, Percussion, Soprano Choir, Upright Bass, Flugelhorn, Saxophones, Concert guitar, Jazz Drums, Epic Orchestra, Dimension Strings
Posted on Sat, Jun 11 2011 22:13
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

Dear Sergio,

Sorry that you take it so personnal,

I'm not english speaking so it's hard for me to be clearly express my idea.

I should have said that I'm not expecting it to be cheap. 

Sergino Futurino wrote:
why don't you keep on composing and stop writing useless and dangerous things.

Like  I said in my previous comment, it  just my personnal opinion and if you don't agree that's ok. I don't think I deserve being treaten with that disrespect. I don't know you, I will not judge you on one trivial comment.

So calm down man and don't be so alarmist, I don't think my opinion, neither yours, will influence VSL's marketing department that much. It will cost what it worth anyway. And there's nothing comparable on the market, even IRCAM Spat wich is priced 1799$ and is just a good spacializatiion-reverb plugin.  So don't expect that its gonna be that affordable.

I think each product have a target consumer profile. Garage Band is amazing and affordable for any amateur musicians. Other DAWs have deeper possibilities and takes more skills to work with. People that are using it just for fun still need to acquire those skills. Its not to VSL to eduquate their customers instead of giving proper support to their users and developping better softwares.

I just wish its gonna be profitable enough for VSL to continue giving us revolutionary products and not using all their ressources to developp iPad stuff or other gizmos that they will sales tons of. I'm not a pro video editor and iMovie really fits my needs, is simple enough to be able to do what I need and is affordable. If i want more, I'm prepared to pay more and take time to learn it. That's it.

Sergino Futurino wrote:
Maybe you fear somebody clever than you could write music  better than yours?

That's just a cheap statement, i'm not going there. 

Sergino Futurino wrote:
I don't see why people started talking of marketing and  money and not of music and Vienna products 

Sorry, next time I will ask your permission before posting a comment on this forum. 

Fred

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 03:51
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2747
Dietz wrote:

Nice suggestion, Cyril. ;-)

Vienna MIR is available for 795,- Euro right now.

At 795 , how many MIR did you sold ?

My bet : less than a hundred Wink

At 795 not a lot of users are going to buy it as they can do there mix without it (at that price I will not buy it)

at 299 with 1 or 2 rooms your are going to sell many, (to me too) Big Smile

 FredB says :

> Don't be so alarmist, I don't think my opinion (and yours) will influence VSL's marketing department anyway. 





It did work for the "NEW DOWNLOAD INSTRUMENT"


Best


Cyril


MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 04:30
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

Ok guys,

I agree that was an bad idea to contribute to a discussion about the price of MIR.

Of course I wish it will cost almost nothing from a simple costumer point of view.

Just trying to show the downside of it. But if i can have it for less I'll be more than happy.

If it's profitable for everyone. Why not? Will see.

Allright!?

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 07:25
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2747

it was not a bad idea.

VSL lives in it Ivory tower, it is good for them to know what we think!

best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 07:44
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8106
Cyril wrote:
[...] VSL lives in it Ivory tower, it is good for them to know what we think! [...]

Cyril ... please. Up to now this thread had a very positive attitude. Don't make us pointing with fingers at each other, discussing who's the one living in that ivory tower.

We know now that you would like to have a product that relies on almost 10 years development time for (more or less) free, we also all know that it won't happen. Let's leave it at that. Thanks.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 09:12
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2747

Hi Dietz,

Sorry to have make you angry, I did not mean to.

The expression "living in an Ivory tour" is not at all insulting in French.

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 11:08
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 262

IMO the (potential) user base will be closer to 50-100,000 world wide. Anybody using samples (of any brand) will be interested in MIR Pro, and it’s quite possible that even High-end mixers (non sample based) will find useful the front-back depth control possibilities. I say all this of course not having yet heard anything.

I hope it will be under 1K€, and I really hope VSL will accept upgrade and trade-ins. I've got some classy, vintage golf clubs that Dietz would Iove I’m sure. Geeked

WW complete. MirX Teldex, Cubase, PC
Posted on Sun, Jun 12 2011 11:40
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

If you can't afford it, you dont need it. Considering how much a high end Lex, Bricasti, TC 6000 etc. costs for at most a couple of instances in a project, no price is too expensive. Wink

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 10:01
by patrik
Joined on Thu, Apr 05 2007, near Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 144

Hi Diez,

I have just a few general questions

1.) Will MIR pro make sense at all without the new VI pro player, which is not soo much my cup of tea (please... no offense, some features are nice... but I really refuse to use it: having a built in reverb and positioning tool in the player being used in MIR to me has something like going to a good restaurant and ordering a roast venison with red wine sauce and having ketchup as a side)... so if I wanted to stick with the conventional VI player, could I make sense of the additional features of MIR pro?

2.) Will there be a way to integrate dimension brass (also without VI pro), especially smoothening the differences between the Dimension Brass instruments and the previous VIs (so that e.g. a solo line played by Vienna Horn 1 (or even more important things like gliss, marc etc. that are not included in dimension brass) does not sound out of place with a line played by dimension brass horn 1?

3.) you wrote at some point all the MIR calculation will be done on one computer. So with the current setup, the (much weaker) master does only send the midi information and receive the audio data and the slave does the MIR stuff. Will this be the same with MIR pro = calculation will be done on the slave

4.) will the changes implemented in MIR have an effect on VE pro as well?

5.) will the MIR pro sync with the sequencing host (or in other words, whill there be changes concerning latency)?

Thanx and greets,

Patrik

Master:
Intel Xeon E5-2620 (x2)
Win 7 64bit
48 GB RAM
Behringer X32 (connected via USB 2)
Cubase 7.03

Slave 1 (MIR):
2 x Intel Xeon E5530; 2,4 GHZ
24 GB RAM
Windows 7
ASIO: EMU PCIe, ASIO4all
midi: M-Audio 4x4

Slave 2 (VEPro):
I7 940; 2,93 GHz
12 GB RAM
Windows VISTA SP2

Woodwinds 1 +2 extended, Brass 1 extended, Dimension Brass, Percussion extended, Elements standard, Vienna Imperial., Konzerthaus Organ, Special Keyboards, Vienna Choir extended, Solo Strings 1 + 2 extended, Chamber Strings 1 extended, Orchestral Strings 1 + 2 extended, Appasionata Strings 1 extended, Harps extended, Vienna MIR, Room Pack 2 + 3, Vienna Ensemble Pro
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 13:42
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8106

Hi Patrik,

ad 1. MIR Pro will work with any source: VI, VI Pro, 3rd-party VSTi/AUi, or audio streams. Of course the features which need Vienna Instruments to work properly - i.e. all the Instrument Profiles, Natural Volume and the like - will (have to) remain VI/VI Pro-exclusive.

ad 2. We work on a solution, but it's to early to go into details.

ad 3. Wherever the actual MIR engine is instantiated, the calculations will take place - be it the master or a slave connected via LAN.

ad 4. Yes.

ad 5. MIR Pro will allow any modern host to compensate for its latency.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 14:54
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Dietz wrote:

ad 5. MIR Pro will allow any modern host to compensate for its latency.

 

Dietz, are you able to expand on how this will work with Pro Tools? I have enough trouble compensating for latency with normal plugs, and it seems to me that the huge latencies that MIR currently requires will be a problem when you are reduced to a mere 4096 samples ADC.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 15:04
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

Hi Dietz,

Will you deliver more than one licence to use MIR on two computer? Since I have no more than 16gb of RAM on each computer, it will be limited to host all the instruments and MIR on a single computer.

Thanks

Fred

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 20:53
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8106
DG wrote:
Dietz wrote:

ad 5. MIR Pro will allow any modern host to compensate for its latency.

Dietz, are you able to expand on how this will work with Pro Tools? I have enough trouble compensating for latency with normal plugs, and it seems to me that the huge latencies that MIR currently requires will be a problem when you are reduced to a mere 4096 samples ADC.

DG

This limit will remain as it is, of course. ... at least I don't have to tell _you_ to get Nuendo *harharhar*  Devil

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 20:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8106
FredB wrote:

Hi Dietz,

Will you deliver more than one licence to use MIR on two computer? Since I have no more than 16gb of RAM on each computer, it will be limited to host all the instruments and MIR on a single computer.

Thanks

Fred

Right now, VSL has no plans to deliver more than one MIR Pro licence as a package, sorry to say so.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 22:10
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Dietz wrote:
DG wrote:
Dietz wrote:

ad 5. MIR Pro will allow any modern host to compensate for its latency.

Dietz, are you able to expand on how this will work with Pro Tools? I have enough trouble compensating for latency with normal plugs, and it seems to me that the huge latencies that MIR currently requires will be a problem when you are reduced to a mere 4096 samples ADC.

DG

This limit will remain as it is, of course. ... at least I don't have to tell _you_ to get Nuendo *harharhar*  Devil

 

Unfortunately Nuendo isn't currently a very good option for my album mixes, as each track takes at least an extra hour and a half to mix, when compared with Pro Tools. This really takes its toll when dealing with over two hours of material. Sad

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 22:42
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669
Dietz wrote:
FredB wrote:

Hi Dietz,

Will you deliver more than one licence to use MIR on two computer? Since I have no more than 16gb of RAM on each computer, it will be limited to host all the instruments and MIR on a single computer.

Thanks

Fred

Right now, VSL has no plans to deliver more than one MIR Pro licence as a package, sorry to say so.

Ok

So will it be possible to feed audio from a VE Pro slave computer to the host that runs MIR?

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Mon, Jun 13 2011 23:00
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

It has already been stated that MIR Pro will be able to receive audio input. However, I guess that the number of streams will depend on the speed of your network as well as the power of your computers.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Tue, Jun 14 2011 04:20
by patrik
Joined on Thu, Apr 05 2007, near Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 144

Hi Dietz,

thank you for your answers... I guess as long as the sequencer will integrate the latency, this will be a huge advantage.... I assume then, it will be possible to do bounces with MIR pro without manually recording the MIR output as an audio file?

and, do I get it right, that MIR Pro is pretty much adding a "network plug" to the standalone MIR... so that I could use my current setup (no remote desktop), and simply sync it to the sequencer....?

Is this in a way like with VE pro, when I prepare templates and then later connect them to the master...? 

But what I don't understand:  with VE Pro I only have so many different VIs per instance... how will this be reflected in MIR pro? 

Greetings,

Patrik

Master:
Intel Xeon E5-2620 (x2)
Win 7 64bit
48 GB RAM
Behringer X32 (connected via USB 2)
Cubase 7.03

Slave 1 (MIR):
2 x Intel Xeon E5530; 2,4 GHZ
24 GB RAM
Windows 7
ASIO: EMU PCIe, ASIO4all
midi: M-Audio 4x4

Slave 2 (VEPro):
I7 940; 2,93 GHz
12 GB RAM
Windows VISTA SP2

Woodwinds 1 +2 extended, Brass 1 extended, Dimension Brass, Percussion extended, Elements standard, Vienna Imperial., Konzerthaus Organ, Special Keyboards, Vienna Choir extended, Solo Strings 1 + 2 extended, Chamber Strings 1 extended, Orchestral Strings 1 + 2 extended, Appasionata Strings 1 extended, Harps extended, Vienna MIR, Room Pack 2 + 3, Vienna Ensemble Pro
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