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Last post Tue, Aug 16 2011 by TonyHartmann, 12 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jun 28 2011 23:21
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

I am using Windows7 as a master computer with cubase 6 sequencer connected to a Windows Vista 64 used as a slave Vienna Instruments computer in a typical Vienna Pro 64 setup with LAN and Ethernet cable.  I currently use Remote Desktop to see the Vienna computer.  I had no room to install Kontakt 4 on the Cubase computer, so have to install it on the Vienna computer.  In what way is the VST PLugin of Kontak 4 routed from the Vienna computer slave so it can be seen in the Cubase6 plugins list to make it active in the Vienna Instruments window of the Cubase Device manager?

My appreciation and thanks for your answer,

tony h 

Posted on Wed, Jun 29 2011 09:46
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

 If Kontakt is on the slave, it's on the slave. Cubase can't access it directly there. You have to load VEP in Cubase and load Kontakt in that VEP instance on the slave.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Jun 30 2011 21:19
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hi DG

Thanks for the response.  I've been trying it with mixed results.  Could you give me a little more detail " loading the VEP in Cubase and loading Kontact in that VEP instance on the slave"?  After many attempts,I've lost the sound in my project and in re-doing the project, have not been able to get even the VE instruments to sound.  Is there a specific sequence to save each of the instances, the project and iv frames while closing?  When using Vienna ensemble before, it was necessary to close the slave computer before closing the master for example.

I appreciate your responses and am glad you're around to share your knowledge (for a lot of years now)!

Many thanks,

tony h 

Posted on Sun, Jul 10 2011 00:34
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hello out here.  Still in need of instruction . I am attempting to get an instanciation in Cubase 6 to activate Kontakt 4 to enable my  Kontakt based libraries. The complication is that Kontakt 4 is installed on the slave computer.  

As in the post above, CG advises to make that approach to get Kontakt working in the project window of Cubase. I can only think to follow through this way:  Open remote desktop>open VEP 64 in the desktop> minimize>Open VEP 64 in the master desktop> Open Cubase to the current project> open a VEP 64 instanciation in Cubase>click file, select new> browse for Kontakt>name the file Kontakt 4 and...nothing shows up, no Kontakt GUI and of course no plugin in the devices,VST instruments pull-down.  So that's not right.  Looking for some clues to make it right- please?  (I would like to check the Kontakt installation to see that I really did opt for the plugin mode but don't know how to do that either. I have an inquiry into NI but not an answer yet.)  I did restore the sound.  One of my Kontakt attempts got the sound outs turned into spdif!  Don't know how I did that but after a week or so I start clicking things out of frustration. Bad dog.  I also have my eye on the ADD External Instrument in the devices connections path, but am not sure that is a way to go either.

Suggestions most welcome and thank you in advance,

best,

tony  

Posted on Sun, Jul 10 2011 10:35
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
  1. Start VEP server on slave
  2. Start Cubase on DAW
  3. Open desired project
  4. load VEP in VSTi rack
  5. Connect to the IP address of the slave
  6. Go to slave and load Kontakt in the instance of VEP that has popped up

You will always have to use Remote Desktop (or similar) to deal with the Kontakt patches, but if you set up and work from a template this only needs to be done once.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Jul 21 2011 00:42
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hello again.  DG, thank you for the above.  I got 5 out of six, but can't get past the last step -" load Kontakt in the instance that has popped up."  As usual, I have tried many times before coming back for help.  Just can't figure out how to get it to work.  Here is as far as I can get at this time:

1-5 - OK

6. Go to slave,

open project

desktop

Ekxplore

Kontakt 4 exe logo

K4 GUI

Load instrument (makes a sound)

Cubase project (from bottom tool bar)

Devices

VEP 2 in VSTi rack

Inspector  select Keyboard in and Vep2

Midi  and VSTi lights show activity when keyboard played

no sound

In closing, Cubase crashes with Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library - Runtime Error  Program C:\Program Files\Cubase 6\Cubase. exe

R6025  -pure virtual function call.

I can't figure out how Kontakt needs to communicate with Cubase.   Soooo-how do I load Kontakt in the instance that popped up?

regards,

tony 

Posted on Thu, Jul 21 2011 08:17
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

 When you have done 1-5, and are looking at the slave desktop, you should see the server. If not click the little blue icon on th taskbar.

In the server there will be a VEP instance; the one you just loaded in Cubase. Click that and the VEP GUI will appear. Now down the bottom left of the GUI there are a few buttons. Hover your mouse over them until you see the one that is load VSTi. Click that, and all the VSTi that reside on the slave will appear. Load Kontakt.

Now anything that you load in this instance of Kontakt will receive MIDI form Cubase and return audio to Cubase.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Fri, Jul 22 2011 01:00
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hi DG,

Your instruction was vaguely familiar.  I recall trying that a couple of times during my frustrating sessions as a pure guess. My " add VSTi" button does not load anything.  No VSTi show up (Control V the same results).  In attempting to get Kontakt to work I perhaps moved some Kontakt locations that I should not have?  Also, I do not see Kontakt as a plugin in the Devices plug in VSTdirectory on the master, so I'm assuming OK with remote desktop. Would Kontakt be the only VSTi to show up on the slave?  I will try to make it happen in tomorrow's morning session a few times more just to be sure the result is the same.  For your information, the tool bar at the bottom left of the slave machine at that point of  "load VSTi"  shows three active instances : 1 VEP Server;  2 june project 1 connected(the open midi project); 3 Kontakt june project connected (the popup from VSTi Cubase rack).

Many thanks for hanging in there with me.  If you were in the area I would hire you to press the keys and show me.

best,

tony h 

I have done a complete uninstall and reinstalled Kontakt 4  to ensure that installation is not the problem.  The VST plugins are in the proper C; drive folders.  The results now are the same - in "add VSTi" nothing happens. The problem is how to get the VEP popup in the remote desktop window to allow a connection Kontakt 4?

tony h 

Posted on Tue, Aug 02 2011 01:11
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hello the forum,

I keep hoping I am at the last step, but there seems to always be just one more.  Here is the latest information that seems to be the key to getting Kontakt  4 to work in remote desktop with Cubase 6. (Yes, Kontakt 5 is coming out now).  Any way,  I need to know what directory the VE Pro is looking for when I select the "add VSTi" in the GUI.  Currently it finds nothing.  Remember, it is searching the slave computer remotely.  If that directory can be identified, I would need to place (drag)  the Kontakt .dll to that directory and then be able to select it to complete the connection with Cubase 6.  Anyone know exactly what directory VEP Pro instance searches?

Really appreciate the answer to this.  Thank you,

tony h 

Posted on Tue, Aug 02 2011 08:29
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

It is searching whatever directory you specified in the Preferences.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Sun, Aug 07 2011 00:24
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

To keep the background straight, all software was installed by the computer builder (who is not now available) on both computers in 2008.  I should have installed the software myself and learn all this stuff at that time.  But... enough. Here I am at this point in time:

 I found the Options tab in the upper left corner of the VEP Server, which has the VST plugins path.  The search for Kontakt 4.dll did not show up in that folder.   I have dragged the K4.dll to the Program files VST Plugins folder. A Windows popup indicated that all information was not being shown - with a choice to unblock the security setting or keep it blocked.  In unblocking that security measure, two items appeared in that VEP server: C: \Programs files\Native Instruments\Kontakt 4 and C:\ Program Files\VST Plugins.  Without using remote desktop, I have opened the VEP instance in the slave computer. In unblocking that security measure, two items appeared in that VEP server: C: \Programs files\Native Instruments\Kontakt 4 and C:\ Program Files\VST Plugins.         Now, Starting from booting up both computers, I select remote desktop>VEP>minimize>Cubase 6>current project> Devices>VSTi instrument rack>VEP>with bottom toolbar  re-open remote desktop> in the lower left corner of the Vienna GUI click "add VSTi " tool.  Nothing happens. No Kontakt 4 GUI. Something is still missing or amiss in the chain. ? We have to be close to a solution.

Help appreciated,

tony h

Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2011 00:35
by TonyHartmann
Joined on Tue, Aug 26 2008, usa, Posts 41

Hi,

I wanted to wrap up this inquiry by thanking DG , the Vienna Support person and Konakt support for their information and help.  It was a two month battle to get it up, but today I saw the Kontakt GUI and heard some library sounds for the first time.  I am happy to have it up and running.  So many thanks to each and all of you for your support. 

Best to you,

tony h

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