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  • Confused: Special Edition, Special Edition 'Plus', Extended Library Upgrade

    Be gentle, it's my first time...

    I am considering Vienna Special Edition and I'm confused as to the differences between 'regular', 'PLUS' and the 'Extended :ibrary Upgrade'. Is there a page that shows a detailed comparison of the instruments and articulations included with each version?

    I thought I read that the 'extended library upgrade' basically makes any instruments that are in the special edition have all the articulations in the 'full' instrument BUT you don't actually get any -new instruments. Is that about it?

    Please advise. I'm comparing with EWQLSO. I like the -sound- of VSL better, but EWQLSO has the instruments/articulations I need... so at this point I need to confirm that I can get the same articulations in VSL SE and not break my budget.

    Thanks,

    ---JC


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    Welcome JC,

    Both Special Edition and Special Edition PLUS consist of a STANDARD Library and an EXTENDED Library.

    These 2 libraries contain different INSTRUMENTS, here is an overview (scroll down a bit):

    While the Special Edition provides the basic articulations for all instruments (staccato, legato, sustain....), the Special Edition PLUS adds ADDITIONAL articulations like trills, repetitions and much more.

    Please check the sample content for the Special Edition and the sample content of the Special Edition PLUS here:

    You can access the Extended Library content with a demo licenses that can be requested at .

    These demo licenses are valid for 30 days / 30 starts, and you can recharge these starts as often as you wish within 30 days (click "Validate License Usage Periods" in the eLCC Software).

    You can purchase the Extended Library licenses online anytime later (see links above).

    Hope that helps!

    Best,

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • It is difficult to compare VSL with QLSO ; all I can say I had QLSO Platinum, now I am on VSL, and I am a VERY happy user.

    The advantage with VSL is you can start with a little budget and as soon you get more money you can increase your library. I started with SE

    a few years ago, move to SE PLUS .......

    VSL has very good programmers, the VE an VI players are great

    On each product page you have the articulation

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Suntower, what you were thinking about the extended libraries giving you the all the articulations of the full libraries relates to the download libraries, not SE or SE Plus.

    As Cyril said, the SE and SE Plus extended libraries add articulations to the instruments that are in the standard SE and SE Plus libraries.  If going with the SE series, it is helpful long-term to plan on purchasing all four of the libraries.  The essential basics are covered in SE Standard.  The additional articulates for the SE Standard library, found in the SE Plus library are also very helpful, and truly do round out what is in the Standard library.

    As for a VSL and EWQLSO comparison, what is best depends on what you are after.  EW is easier to use out of the box (if you could eventually add MIR or MIR SE for VSL, the advantage swings strongly in VSL's favor).  Similarly to Cyril, I stared with with EWQL, finally moved to VSL, and have never looked back.  Unlike Play, VSL's programming is fabulous, giving you complete control and the ability to create and customize each instrument as you see fit.  You can also set up matrices in VSL with consistent keyswitches (every instrument in EWQLSO has unique keyswitches). 

    Also, with EWQLSO, to have any flexibility at all in terms of style, you would have to also get the close mics.  The basic EWQL sound is awash in reverb - great for "Hollywood," terrible for chamber music, etc.  As a one-time orchestral musician (though not professional), to my ear, VSL gets the closest to the sound of an actual symphony orchestra.  For example, as a bass player for many years, the variety of articulations of the solo bass in the solo strings library come the closest to what I can actually do with a bow (the solo strings in SE are also very usable).

    If all you are interested in is "Hollywood" (you didn't describe your intended use) you will likely be ok with EW.  However, you mentioned that you liked the sound of VSL better (as do I).  I would strongly suggest that if you can't quite yet afford VSL, that you wait, save up a bit more, and then buy VSL.  In the long run, spending money on samples that you do not really like as much is not going to be cost effective.  What could very well happen is that you will buy EW, wish you had bought VSL SE, start saving up for the VSL SE libraries, get them, and then rarely use EW.  In that case, IMO, better to start with VSL in the first place, and add to your collection as you can afford to do so.

    Edit: I should add that high-end pro users (not myself) tend to eventually buy most of the major commercial libraries available and mix and match on a per project basis.  However, especially when starting out, and/or when funds are limited there are also advantages to getting to know one particular company's libraries very well.  It is all too easy to end up spending $$$ on all sorts of libraries without ever mastering any of them.


  • I would really like to back up what noldar12 said. He is absolutely right about the differences between the two libraries. I've been jumping all over the place with libraries and was never satisfied, finally I settled with VSL. The reason is simple, as my budget is quite limited at the moment, I can't afford a full orchestra, but with VSL I can progressively increase my collection. I started by replacing the sounds I found most unsatisfying in the libraries I have, which was the Brass section, and I invested in building myself a good brass section with VSL. Eventually I will replace the Strings, with the reassurance that the Brass integration won't be lost.

    VSL also has very strong softwares behind it, from VI and VI PRO to VE, which is fantastic (and free!) which actually compensates the limitations of the software I use (Sibelius). Not to mention Vienna Suite and MIR. If you can't afford VSL SE I would actually go for something really simple (maybe even GPO?), and gradually replace the instruments with VSL as you are able to afford it. EW will make a big hole in your pocket and as far as I know you won't be able to upgrade it without upgrading the whole orchestra.

    About the standard/ extended complexity, I would like to help with this because I was really confused and made a big mess of this myself.


    VSL Special Edition Standard: Basic Articulations for classic orchestral instruments

    VSL Special Edition Extended: Basic Articulations for exotic orchestral instruments (needs Standard installed)

    VSL Special Edition Full: Combination of Standard with Extended

    VSL Special Edition PLUS Standard: Extra Articulations for the classic instruments (needs SE Standard installed)

    VSL Special Edition PLUS Extended: Extra Articulations for the exotic instruments (needs SE Extended and SE PLUS Standard installed)

    VSL Special Edition PLUS Full: Combination of PLUS Standard with Extended (needs SE full installed)


  • And what would the special edition bundle be? Would that include everything?

  • WOW. My head is spinning. Maybe this is a cultural thing, or my ADHD but whoever named these products should be shot. I may be more confused than ever.

    Q1... If were to purchase -every- product in the 'Special Edition' line, what would I need?

    Q2... The reason for getting this is...

    I'm writing a full opera that will eventually be mounted (no jokes, please) by a local orchestra. Because I know my forces ahead of time, I'm writing this 'tour de whatever' for more of a 'chamber orchestra' size (45 players if I get lucky) than 'Star Wars Part VI'. I have been told that this stuff sounds a bit like Bartok's Music For Strings and Hindemith's 'Mathis'

    I currently own several cheap-o sample libs (GPO, Halion Symphonic Orchestra) and I'd like to move up to something that can give a semi-realistic mock-up. The mock-ups are for -me- more than anything else... they're not to impress people with their epicness...they're to help -me- with the orchestrations since I have -very- limited rehearsal time and I've already had a case where I made some mistakes as to balance between sections (ie. how many flutes it takes to balance against 6 celli). My hope is that I can avoid such gaffes with a better sounding lib.

    I budgeted $1k for this.

    In short... What SKUs do I need to purchase to do Music For Strings?

    ---JC


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    Hello Jc

    @Suntower said:

    Q1... If were to purchase -every- product in the 'Special Edition' line, what would I need?

    Q2... The reason for getting this is...

    A1: The Special Edition Bundle, FULL Library

    A2:A great choice of articulations for many instruments. 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Thanks. Still a few more questions to get this all sorted in my mind...

    1. On your web site, is the 'FULL' package... basically -everything- in the Special Edition series $1,830 USD?

    2. Can I get the same FULL package, by purchasing

    http://audiomidi.com/Vienna-Special-Edition-Bundle-P10786.aspx

    and this...

    http://audiomidi.com/Vienna-Special-Edition-Plus-P10775.aspx

    ...together?

    3. I've been researching and I think I only need the Special Edition -standard- for woodwinds, brass and percussion, but I -do- need the Chamber Strings. What SKUs do I need to get the Chamber Strings?

    Thanks,

    ---JC


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    Hi JC, 

    Special Edition BUNDLE.

    3. I've been researching and I think I only need the Special Edition -standard- for woodwinds, brass and percussion, but I -do- need the Chamber Strings. What SKUs do I need to get the Chamber Strings?

    You can get the Extended Libraries, which contain many other additional instruments. 

    Alternatively, you might also want to look into the download collections of the Special Editions. As they come with more licenses, they will be more expensive than buying the DVD versions, but they are split up into sections.

    I´d stick to the DVD versions, they are the best deal if you are looking for a comprehensive orchestra. 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • I -think- I'm getting closer.

    If I get this from AudioMidi:

    Vienna Symphonic Library Vienna Special Edition Bundle $795

    ...then I go to your web store and purchase the Extended Library Upgrade for 125 euros and then I have the Chamber Strings, right?

    OR...

    I can get the

    Vienna Symphonic Library Vienna Special Edition - Extended Library Upgrade $570

    from Audio Midi and basically get the full package for all 4 sections right? IOW: Does this get me the 'full' package ($1,830) in terms of sample content?

    I don't know that I'll need additional licenses... and I have an open credit with AudioMidi I want to use.

    Thanks for working with me here,

    ---JC


  • Hello JC, 

    No, that´s not like it is. Unfortunately this is not really well presented on the audiomidi.com website, in my eyes. 

    The Vienna Special Edition Bundle for 795 USD is the Standard Libraries for both SE and SE PLUS. 

    You will still need the EXTENDED Libraries for the SE and SE PLUS, which is 990 USD and can also be purchased at audiomidi.com, as it is an Authorized Dealer of ours. 

    Your price will be 795+990 USD = 1785 USD. I guess the best idea is to talk to audiomidi.com directly, if you want to use your open credit. 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Thanks. Hopefully last question:

    If I buy this from AudioMidi:

    Vienna Symphonic Library Vienna Special Edition Bundle $795

    ...then I go to your web store and purchase the

    Special Edition – Strings PLUS Extended Library Upgrade

    for 125 euros from here: http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/261/216/1630/1646/551.htm

    ...and then I would have the Chamber Strings, right?

    ---That's my main goal at this point: The Chamber Strings. What Vienna products do I need to purchase in order to get -those-?

    Thanks for your patience,


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    Hi,

    Unfortunately you cannot mix DVD products and download products, so this is not a good way to go.

    You could get the Special Edition FULL Library (NOT the bundle), and add the SE PLUS Strings Standard and Extended Library as download instruments from our website.

    If you want the Chamber Strings exclusively, get the Chamber Strings Bundle Full Library. You can also order that from audiomidi.com.

    Best regards,

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    You could get the Special Edition FULL Library (NOT the bundle), and add the SE PLUS Strings Standard and Extended Library as download instruments from our website. 

    If you want the Chamber Strings exclusively, get the Chamber Strings Bundle Full Library. You can also order that from audiomidi.com.

    LOL. You guys must be accountants on the side. I've filled out tax returns that were less complex. 😄

    OK, let's see if I've got this straight: 

    Q 1. So there really is no way to save money to get SE... with the Chamber Orchestra bits... over just getting SE Bundle Full.

    Q 2. If I get SE Bundle Full, is there an upgrade path to Chamber Orchestra I and II? Or would I have to start over if I find out that I need some of those articulations?

    ---JC

    PS: One thing that has been confusing to me in our back and forth is that neither AudioMidi or Sweetwater include the 'FULL' packages in their catalog. I called both and they assume (as did I) that  'BUNDLE' and 'FULL' are one and the same thing---they did not realise the difference. Also, the folks at AudioMIDI did not realise that Extended Library Upgrade and 'Plus' Extended Library Upgrade were two separate products... they don't even have them as separate items in their catalog. So I hope you can understand at least a part of my confusion... I know you have that FLV on your site to walk people through it, but still, I'm clearly not the only one who is confused. FWIW: In English 'Bundle' and 'Full' are often used interchangeably in marketing products.

    OK...


  • Suntower,

    Here's my suggestion:

    Get the Special Edition/Special Edition Plus Bundle. It's a DVD set, and buy buying together, you save a little.

    The extended versions of both of those libraries are active for a limited time automatically. ( 90 days, 6 months, I'm not sure) During this time you can use both standard and extended versions of both libraries. At the end of this time period, if you want to continue to use the extended versions you can then buy the license for the extended versions and activate them permanently on your computer. If you didn't use the extended versions much and don't buy them, then you've saved yourself some bucks.


  • Perhaps you're right. Next confusion: where can one find the trial period length for the extended libs?

    ALSO: Can I use SE on -3- machines? (I have VEP)


  • Hi, 

    The trial time for the Extended Libraries is 30 days. 

    All VI Collections come with 1 license, so they can be used on 1 computer at a time. 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Got it.

    1. Is there a discount for additional licences?

    2. Is there an upgrade path from SE to the Chamber Orchestra?  For example, it appears that the bits of Chamber Orchestra included in SE Plus do not include Bartok Pizz. is there a way to add just those missing articulations without having to purchase Chamber Orchestra separately?

    Thanks,

    ---JC


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    Hello JC,

    1) There are no additional licenses available for the Special Edition.

    2) You cannot pick single articulations. Of course there is an upgrade path from the Special Edition to Chamber Strings (depending on what you have, you get a discount).

    Here are the discount details.

    Best,

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL