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Last post Sat, Sep 06 2014 by Rolf_Music, 11 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Oct 18 2011 08:23
by stoecklmayer
Joined on Tue, Jan 08 2008, Stuttgart, Posts 60

Is it possible to get kinda non-vib like sound out of the solo strings by using the normal edition not the extendet ?? 

greetings

Posted on Wed, Oct 19 2011 15:15
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1763
stoecklmayer wrote:

Is it possible to get kinda non-vib like sound out of the solo strings by using the normal edition not the extendet ?? 

greetings

Hello

Unfortunately it isn't possible because the vibrato is "integrated" within the samples.

Even if the SE-Library contains quite a lot of samples it only comes with a few for each instrument (no "sus without vib")

Perhaps you can get a sound with less or no vibrato when you route the signal through a pitch tuner (melodyne etc.).

If work with Cubase 6 you have a VST-pitch tuner effect which you could install within the instrument track.

But I didn't ever checked this solution... could be that it will work better than we think... don't know.

Best

Beat Kaufmann

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
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Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2011 01:07
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1153

What I’d like to know is why there’s vibrato on open strings…

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Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2011 13:33
by VSL
Joined on Tue, Dec 02 2014, Posts
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Because nobody wants to hear every single d4 on a violin for example played as an open string.
Violists will play it often on the g string for a warmer sound and this way you can make the vibrato.


My solution is simple :) Vsl should record the 17 open strings in total (don't forget the low b on a double bass :) )
and let the user choose them or not with the AB switch.

I would really love to hear the open strings in double triple and quadruple stops...

they did record the open string pitches a string below.
For the low g on a violin, they tuned the violin to fis and played a g with vibrato or without for the nonvib patches,
the actual open string was never recorded. It's the sympathetic resonance of the open strings that gives the solo strings
their solo-characteristic-sound :)
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2011 14:26
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1153

 Yes, but we want to hear the G3 played as an open string, because that's the only way possible.  Yet it has vibrato.

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Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2011 15:32
by noldar12
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2008, Posts 582

A couple comments (as a strings player):

First, in many cases (particularly when playing legato), a strings player will not play an open string precisely because it will not have vibrato, but will play the note in position on a lower string.  When all things are considered, it is better that those notes have vibrato than not (the lowest open string would be an exception).

Second, although I do not recall exactly off the top of my head, check the natural harmonics sustain patches in the extended solo strings library.  IIRC, the first note of the harmonic series included for each string is the open string, and that the notes are played non-vibrato.  Because of how the natural harmonics patches are set up using them will require some arrangement adjustments.  Rather than being at pitch, notes are arranged by string, by their partial order: open string; octave; octave + fifth; etc.  That is the only way to do it, as certain partial notes exist on more than one string, and will sound different depending upon which string is used to play them.  That VSL included the different options is a good thing.  Again, IIRC all partials are included through the three octave partial (including the naturally out-of-tune dominant 7th partial). 

Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2011 22:24
by VSL
Joined on Tue, Dec 02 2014, Posts
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Yes Bill that's true, the lowest note should have been always the open string sound.
Posted on Thu, Nov 03 2011 16:30
by bhartmann
Joined on Thu, Mar 10 2011, Posts 170
I am going to try V-Vocal in Sonar (like Melodyne) to remove vibrato. That is a creative solution. I use it to remove vibrato on vocals quite often.
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Posted on Mon, Sep 01 2014 09:37
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 109
.. was the idea that the open strings are in the harmonics samples confirmed? I'm writing a piece that requires a lot of open strings including the mid and upper stings.

Cheers,

Rangi.
Posted on Mon, Sep 01 2014 12:23
by saxmand
Joined on Wed, May 06 2009, Posts 62
Rangi wrote:
.. was the idea that the open strings are in the harmonics samples confirmed? I'm writing a piece that requires a lot of open strings including the mid and upper stings.

Cheers,

Rangi.


I can confirm it. It's with two velocities. You also have the Natural Harmonic Repetition patch with one velocity layer! But as said, they are not places on the keyboard at their pitch position.
Posted on Sat, Sep 06 2014 19:50
by Rolf_Music
Joined on Tue, Feb 05 2013, Posts 82

http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/37939/230793.aspx#230793

Created a plugin which will help with the vibrato problems.

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