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I don't get it... VEP5 and Logic = Silence
Last post Tue, Jun 12 2012 by Cyril Blanc, 103 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2011 03:53
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

I seem to be missing something.  I have read the manual but don't seem to be doing this right.  After I assign track one to VEP and connect, then assign a new track with an Event Input to the connected instance, add the i/o plugin and bypass it at first I get sound but if I record some notes, or do anything all I get is silence and I have to go back to the original track with the VEP instance plugin to activate sound again.  The i/o plugin doesn't seem to have any effect on this.  

What am I doing wrong?   Mac Pro, 10.6.8, Logic 9.1.5 64bit.

Thanks

Chris

Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2011 17:25
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

Something similar here.

Insert an instance of VE5 in logic, assign it to my Slave and plays/record fine.

Then, insert Event Input in a new track and assign it 2 channel to the same slave /instance and the disaster begins... no midi info goes to Slave instance, ONLY SOUND WHEN PLAYBACK OR RECORD! 

 I've built 3 new different templates and always the same bug!

Please, help!

Here's a screencast of the problem:

Link

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2011 20:53
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

This looks to me like Logic working as it is designed to work, but then again I'm no expert on Logic. Doesn't it have some feature where it turns things off if it thinks they aren't doing anything? What happens if you put the event input tracks in Live mode, or leave them record enabled whilst you noodle around?

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
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Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2011 22:13
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

Very strange to me. I've been working with logic an VE4 for a long time and never had this kind of problem. Seems like Logic dont send the midi info to VE5, or Ve5 is no capable to receive that info. I'll try with a Nuendo demo, but, it isn't a solution.

It seems more a problem with Vienna Event input as the track has VE5 instance ever works.

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2011 22:49
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

OOOOOK!

Non-manual-reader sindrome... pag 33 on the manual.

Thanks.

Still doesn't work. More than 4 days with this awesome software and I can't work.

PLEASE! I need help, I can't find the solution. I've inserted I/o plugin in the multitimbral track with Event Input plugin but the same problem. 

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 09:18
by Talino
Joined on Sat, Jul 17 2010, Posts 260

Is Logic+VEP5 working fine otherwise, without using the Input plugins? It's the main reason I'm holding before upgrading here. I've seen the screencast on YouTube and it's indeed very strange.

When I think of it, the symptom is quite similar to my issue with some repetition matrices (MIDI events are clearly being sent, but no sound).

MASTER: Cubase Pro 10.0.20, iMac 27 2015 i7 4.0 (17,1) 24gb RAM, OS X 10.14.4, RME Fireface UC. SLAVE: Mac Pro 2009 Quad 2.66 (4,1), 28gb RAM, OS X 10.11.6, Vienna Ensemble Pro 7, samples on OWC Accelsior SSD.
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 10:04
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

The track with VE5 insert is ever working, but not the Event Input One. Yo have to re-activate it by playing in the track that has the plugin (Event Input)...

Very strange and frustrating...

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 12:02
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

It does work fine if you use it like VEP4 but as was mentioned above if you use the input plugin you have to keep going back to the connect track to reactivity it by playing something.  Using the I/o plugin actually made no difference at all.  I can't see how this made it past testing.  

Chris

Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 12:45
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

I think it could be any evil  combination of versions in our Mac Pros, or any setup in Logic, but I can't see the problem... and  I'm not a novice in VE, Logic...

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 13:11
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

I am not sure you english is correct :) but I understand you.  The rally has nothing to do with hardware, it is just the software.  Perhaps the i/o plugin was what they though fixed this.  

I use my Event Input track set to ALL instead of seperate channels, but that won't make a difference and it shouldn't.  My controller is decding the xmit channel, not Logic for the way I work.  Regardless the result is the same...no sound untill you reactivate the linked track by playing something.  I'll see if anything else works.

Chris

Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 13:38
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

This is due to the fact that Logic disables tracks unless its transport is playing. I'm not sure anything can be done about this.

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 13:50
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

I figured out one part that got it functioning.  You need to put the i/o plugin on the MAIN track, not the input event tracks, but you also have to assign an output to it (I picked out 3/4 but it doesn't matter), then bypass it.  This is what causes the i/o plugin to actually 'activate' and it keeps the stream running between VEP and the plugin.

However, this introduced a new problem.  All is well as long as the transport ISN'T running.  Once you enter record or playback it is hit or miss if it picks up on what you are playing.  It also began to cause CPU spikes in Logic which I've never gotten before with VEP...fix one problem get another.  Huh?

EDIT:  Another pass and I didn't have any more spikes, but there sounds like a 'doubling' of the sound too (you can hear the phasing) during playback.  It isn't there when the transport isn't running.  All I did was record onto this one track.

EDIT 2:  This new issue is only on the EVENT INPUT tracks.  Using the track with just the VEP plugin works as expected.

Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 16:13
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

Ah, Ok let's write in Spanish! Stick out tongue Me no problemo with Englih Cool

I would like to see somebody of VSL staff in this post .. they are omnipresent in other threads.  This bug is so important to let pass it in beta testing.

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 16:20
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

jaumepardalito wrote:

I would like to see somebody of VSL staff in this post .. they are omnipresent in other threads.  This bug is so important to let pass it in beta testing.

 

Just look two postings above. (Karel is our main developer for VE PRO 5)

best

Herb

Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 16:48
by jaumepardalito
Joined on Thu, Mar 22 2007, Mallorca, Spain, Posts 46

Oh Herb, sorry, 

I've missed his post. So, no solution I fear.Huh? 

How is it possible that is not commented officially? This is a spectacular piece of software and you guys are an incredible team, but I think the problem has to be comented before people decide to spend the money (Happily, in my case) in a software that have been bought to solve this problem... and finally remain with it.

In this case I think VSL is not acting well... this is not a minor bug. In my situation is the same VE4 that VE5. I've been in Logic for a long time, but moving to Cubase was in mind because the VST3 ports in VE, and delayed it few months cause the midi multiport in AU, that now is "useless" in my computer (I don't know if there's anything wrong in my Logic /Mac setup)

I've been a VSL fan from early years, but this is the first time that I'm really disappointed.

Sorry to say this words.

Edit 1: At this moment is running well.

Edit 2: Not working properly. The event input tracks miss half the notes.

Now, really sorry for my english. Makes me an idiot.

Mac Pro 2,66 (First generation), 16GB Ram, SSD120GB. Snow Leopard
Mac Pro 3,1 (First generation), 16GB Ram, OSX Lion
VEpro4, Vienna Instruments Pro, SE & SE+ Full, Woodwinds I full, Download Instruments: Piccolo, English Horn full, Clarinet Bass.
Kontakt 5: Lass, Hollywood Brass, cinesamples stuff,...
Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 18:35
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

Did you see my reply above that had the solution for the i/o plugin?  Give that a shot and see how it performes on your setup.  

I'll do whatever you guys want to help get to the bottom of this.  I will clarify that I amusing a dedicated network for VEP too so there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the setup, just strange behavior.

Chris 

Posted on Thu, Nov 24 2011 21:03
by leuroj
Joined on Thu, Apr 19 2007, London, Posts 18

I've got Logic driving VE Pro 5 with notes ok but how do we automate? I've got the Event input on another Channel assigned to the VE instance but where on the VE server is "Learn" or "Assign" for either CCs or the "Vienne Ense Param" values in the Channel Automation?

The manual is not clear on this; any chance of a walk through of the process? Or are we saying this is currently not working?

I had multiple channel CC7 working on the VE channel without Event Input briefly before juddering chaos ensued. 

Thanks

Simon

MBP 2.8GHz Core Duo 8GB, Logic 9.1.5

Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2011 01:51
by gerdkaeding
Joined on Thu, Sep 20 2007, Berlin / Germany, Posts 56
C_Caouette wrote:

I

However, this introduced a new problem.  All is well as long as the transport ISN'T running.  Once you enter record or playback it is hit or miss if it picks up on what you are playing.  It also began to cause CPU spikes in Logic which I've never gotten before with VEP...fix one problem get another.  Huh?

EDIT:  Another pass and I didn't have any more spikes, but there sounds like a 'doubling' of the sound too (you can hear the phasing) during playback.  It isn't there when the transport isn't running.  All I did was record onto this one track.

EDIT 2:  This new issue is only on the EVENT INPUT tracks.  Using the track with just the VEP plugin works as expected.

Hello Chris ,

I haven't downloaded/installed VEP5 yet ,  so I'm speculating here , but this 'doubling'  effect &  the 'spikes' sound like a MIDI-Loop ,

something that also occurs with Logic when using IAC-MIDI-Busses .

So maybe the same issue occurs here too ?

Best

Gerd

( For those who are interested how to get rid of the MIDI-Loop issue when using IAC Busses with Logic I've described that a while ago

in another forum : http://www.soundsonline-...35&postcount=3  )


MacPro 3,5 Six Core / 64 GB / OS 10.11.4
Logic 10.2.4


MacPro 3,33 sixCore / 48 GB / OS 10.11.4
Logic 9.1.8



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Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2011 02:25
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172

Hi Gerd,

I wish it were that simple.  The issue is much deeper than that and only pertains to the Event Input plugin.  

Chris

Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2011 14:24
by reeltracks
Joined on Fri, May 28 2010, Posts 10
I have the same problem here.
can someone from VSL please post what exactly we have to do in Logic to get this running properly?
Mac OSX 10.6.8
Logic 9.1.5
VEP v5.0.9687
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