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Last post Sat, Feb 25 2012 by Sakamoto, 14 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Feb 12 2012 13:27
by Sakamoto
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Germany, Posts 108

Hello friends,

which DAW does have the better sound and performance if I use the sequencer and MIR Pro on the same machine (12core 2.66 Mac Pro): Logic Pro 9 or Cubase 6? 

Kind regards

Alfred

Posted on Sun, Feb 12 2012 16:02
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763

Soundwise there shouldn't be any difference. Handlingwise Cubase seems to be more straight-forward and less restrictive ATM.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Feb 12 2012 17:19
by Sakamoto
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Germany, Posts 108
Dietz wrote:

Soundwise there shouldn't be any difference. Handlingwise Cubase seems to be more straight-forward and less restrictive ATM.

I see - does that mean that the administration of the Vst-Plugins to the cores and threats og my 12-core mac is completely done by Vienna Ensemble or MIR Pro and not by the sequencer? (because some people say that Logic Pro isn´t that good at that point)

Thanks a lot for your reply. (VSL-support is the best out there)

Alfred

Posted on Mon, Feb 13 2012 02:07
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700

There are still a few hicups with VE pro 5 and MIR PRO

the best will be to do a benchmark when all problems are solved 

today with my test piece that has a template of 97 VI using IAC with Logic and VE PRO MIR PRO I get 30 % cpu load in Logic and up to 1200 % with VE PRO (for PC user, with my computer I can go to 2400 % 12 cpu + 12 threads)

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Feb 17 2012 08:54
by MAJ
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2009, Posts 33
Hello,

I have been used Logic few years. It's very intuitive and easy of use for start. But if you go deeper, there is quite a lot bugs and restrictions. I don't like the multi-timbral working in the Logic, which is necessary, if you want to use VE Pro and MIR. There is no VST Expression (which is in Cubase) alternative in the Logic. It's very lengthy to switch articulation in the Logic. I made my own Environment (around 1000 transformers). It works quite good, but if I want to evolve it, I hit to the Logic's bug. So, it's not so intuitive, as could be.

My way to the CUbase was very thorny (I don't like the graphics of the Cubase, I have to adjust it a lot), but now, I'm very satisfied with combination Cubase, VE Pro, MIR Pro, and VSL sound libraries. It just works nice!

Best,
Martin
***
www.majstudio.com
Mac Pro 8-core; 16GB RAM
Logic 9 or Digital Performer 7
SE&SE+; Orchestral Strings I + Extended; Woodwinds I; Vienna Choir I + Extended
VSL Suite; VSL VEPro 5 & MIR Pro
Posted on Fri, Feb 17 2012 09:19
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700

MAJ wrote:
Hello,

Hello

I use program change and bank changes to change  articulation and I use VSL Level  II  preset

How could you use 1000 transformers ?

I use 20 transformers for 16 instruments

The trick is to use the banks of the multi and made your custom bank changes i.e Bank 1 will send C0, bank 2... C#0

Then if you send program 1 it will send C1, program 2 it will send C#1.........

This is symplifying a lot the environnement

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Wed, Feb 22 2012 00:57
by Martinz
Joined on Wed, Nov 26 2008, Stockholm, Posts 47

Hi,

just want to tell that I switched from Logic 9 to Cubase 6 when I got MIR Pro. I couldn't stand the multi-timbral limitations and all the other complications with the event plugin tricks, so that was reason enough for me to switch. I have not really noticed any performance differences between the two hosts with mir, but in Logic it was too much work and complications to even setup a 30 instrument orchestra with mir… I could say I'm satisfied about my decision to switch. 

www.martinz.se
Setup:
Logic Pro X
Master:
Mac Pro 5,1 12 core 2x3,46 GHz 96 GB ram Lynx E44
Slave:
Mac Pro 3,1 8 core 2x2,8 GHz 16 GB ram
Posted on Wed, Feb 22 2012 07:24
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700


Martinz wrote:

Hi,

just want to tell that I switched from Logic 9 to Cubase 6 when I got MIR Pro. 



Hello 

Do you use MIR PRO in stereo or in 5.1 or 7.1 ?

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Feb 23 2012 15:58
by Martinz
Joined on Wed, Nov 26 2008, Stockholm, Posts 47

I have not used any surround features yet.

www.martinz.se
Setup:
Logic Pro X
Master:
Mac Pro 5,1 12 core 2x3,46 GHz 96 GB ram Lynx E44
Slave:
Mac Pro 3,1 8 core 2x2,8 GHz 16 GB ram
Posted on Thu, Feb 23 2012 16:15
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700
Martinz wrote:

I have not used any surround features yet.

you should try 7.1 and tell me how it is working

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Feb 24 2012 08:45
by woy
Joined on Sun, Oct 31 2004, Monaco, Posts 42

 Hi Martinz,

As a long time Logic user - I have just ordered Cubase 6. Please can you tell me whether you had any problems migrating your existing Logic music to Cubase and how this is done? Also, are there existing Cubase templates available for VEP Pro and MIR that I could use to save set up time?

Best regards, Roy

Posted on Fri, Feb 24 2012 21:09
by Sakamoto
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Germany, Posts 108

I wonder if there are more tutorials for using Cubase or Logic with MIR Pro than the manuals of VSL. But ok, maybe I should better go through the older MIR-tutorials first.

Posted on Fri, Feb 24 2012 23:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2700
Sakamoto wrote:

I wonder if there are more tutorials for using  Logic with MIR Pro than the manuals of VSL. But ok, maybe I should better go through the older MIR-tutorials first.

if you need a template using Event input and IAC send me an Email Big Smile

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Feb 25 2012 08:50
by Sakamoto
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Germany, Posts 108

Hello Cyril, 

that´s very kind. I cannot contact you through the contact-function here. So my e-mail is:

Thanks in advance

Alfred

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