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Dropped MIDI notes with Event Input in DP7.24
Last post Wed, Aug 29 2012 by Sergievsky, 18 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Feb 26 2012 00:02
by RootNDoo
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2008, Posts 53
Hi there,

Thanks again for the work around on the midi port issues. This is a huge benefit to us! It is currently only causing one problem that prevents this being functional for me.

I am having repeated problem with dropped MIDI notes. It misses quite a few. I followed another post's fix for this by deleting the channels and starting the V-Rack from scratch. This worked for a time but now the dropped notes are back despite not having touched the V-Rack. Maybe 1/10 notes are dropped, and often there is a stuttered or flammed MIDI note after the one that was dropped.

-Running DP 7.24 in 'all plugins live' mode
-VEP 5.0.10068
-MacPro 2.8 8-core late 2008

Thank you!


Chris
Mac Pro
Vienna Ensemble 7
Digital Performer 10
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Posted on Sun, Feb 26 2012 03:58
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

it is good to see that the problem is not only with Logic.

To avoid this I have been using IAC to send the Midi to VEP.

The audio is sent back the  VEP AU

I have noticed improvement with Event input since last VI upgrade of Friday, but there are still a few hanging notes.

Try IAC and tell us if it is working better

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Posted on Mon, Feb 27 2012 10:04
by RootNDoo
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2008, Posts 53
I can't figure out how to link the IAC Bus to Vienna. Can you specify? I can set it up in DP, but it doesn't want to connect to VEPro.

Thanks for the help!
Mac Pro
Vienna Ensemble 7
Digital Performer 10
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Posted on Mon, Feb 27 2012 11:50
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

In the mixer, instead of selecting port 1, you select your IAC port

Et voilà 

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Wed, Feb 29 2012 01:31
by RootNDoo
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2008, Posts 53
In the mixer of DP or VEPRO? I can select the IAC Bus in DP, but VEPRO will only let me choose from their MIDI Ports, there isn't an option for IAC. Is there a setting I am missing?

Thanks!

Chris
Mac Pro
Vienna Ensemble 7
Digital Performer 10
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Posted on Wed, Feb 29 2012 07:58
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Did you define the IAC in Audio midi setup ?

You select the IAC input in the Mixer of the VE PRO server

Send me an Email I will send you a screen copy 

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Mon, Aug 13 2012 17:24
by williemyers
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2007, Posts 45

Cyril, are you still finding the AMS IAC to be a help with stuck/hanging midi notes?

DigiPerf 8.07, VEPro 5, PTools 10, Sib. 7.5,
OS 10.8.5, MacPro 2.66x8core, 16 Gig RAM, 4 x >120G hds, 2 x 25" LCDs
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Posted on Mon, Aug 13 2012 18:01
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

I get the best results with IAC with Logic

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Mon, Aug 13 2012 19:10
by williemyers
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2007, Posts 45

Cyrtil, thanks very much for your quick reply!

I have never worked with iAC before and am have two problems, but you may not be aboe to heap, as you are using Logic (and I am DP). First probelm is that, after enabling IAC, when i attempt to arm a midi track in DP that has been routed to IAC, DP will send me a warning that arming this track would create a midi-loop and will not allow me to arm the track. Hence no midi data can be routed to VEPro5. Second thing is that, if I go back in to AMS, to the setup of IAC, and attempt to remove the "midi IN" port that would be causing the midi loop mentioned above, AMS will not let me change either the number of midi IN's or midi OUT's for the IAC port.

So again, thanks for your quick reply and if you have any thoughts about the above, thanks in advance!

DigiPerf 8.07, VEPro 5, PTools 10, Sib. 7.5,
OS 10.8.5, MacPro 2.66x8core, 16 Gig RAM, 4 x >120G hds, 2 x 25" LCDs
couple o' hardware synths, loadza (legal) libraries
Kurz Midiboard, MOTU MTP AV
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Posted on Mon, Aug 13 2012 22:46
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832
williemyers wrote:

Cyrtil, thanks very much for your quick reply!

I have never worked with iAC before and am have two problems, but you may not be aboe to heap, as you are using Logic (and I am DP). First probelm is that, after enabling IAC, when i attempt to arm a midi track in DP that has been routed to IAC, DP will send me a warning that arming this track would create a midi-loop and will not allow me to arm the track. Hence no midi data can be routed to VEPro5. Second thing is that, if I go back in to AMS, to the setup of IAC, and attempt to remove the "midi IN" port that would be causing the midi loop mentioned above, AMS will not let me change either the number of midi IN's or midi OUT's for the IAC port.

So again, thanks for your quick reply and if you have any thoughts about the above, thanks in advance!

You should look in the DP forum

For Logic to solve this you will link the input to a "monitor" 

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

Final Cut pro
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Posted on Tue, Aug 14 2012 13:30
by labman
Joined on Tue, Sep 28 2010, Posts 118
We too see a bunch of random drops with Event Input with DP. Love thwe feature, but hard to get things done. Between stuck notes and dropped ones. Buffer size increase does not help.

OSX 10.6.8 DP 7.2x multiple MacPros tons of ram
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Posted on Tue, Aug 14 2012 14:19
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173

Do you have audio plugins set to realtime in DP's preferences?

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Tue, Aug 14 2012 16:27
by williemyers
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2007, Posts 45
Karel wrote:

Do you have audio plugins set to realtime in DP's preferences?

yes, Karel. I am going to chime in here as I couldn't get any repsonse to my previous post http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32861.aspx

but yes, all of my plugins are set to "realtime"

DigiPerf 8.07, VEPro 5, PTools 10, Sib. 7.5,
OS 10.8.5, MacPro 2.66x8core, 16 Gig RAM, 4 x >120G hds, 2 x 25" LCDs
couple o' hardware synths, loadza (legal) libraries
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Posted on Tue, Aug 14 2012 16:34
by Karel
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2009, Belgium, Posts 2173
williemyers wrote:
Karel wrote:

Do you have audio plugins set to realtime in DP's preferences?

yes, Karel. I am going to chime in here as I couldn't get any repsonse to my previous post http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32861.aspx

but yes, all of my plugins are set to "realtime"

Do those dropped notes happen with other instruments than Kontakt as well for you?

Karel Bassez
Software Engineer
Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Wed, Aug 15 2012 13:36
by labman
Joined on Tue, Sep 28 2010, Posts 118
Hi Karel. Yes we always run in realtime mode on all our plugins. And dropped notes happen in other apps, like Omnisphere, etc

Thanks for helping us.
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Posted on Tue, Aug 21 2012 14:25
by williemyers
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2007, Posts 45

Karel wrote:
Do those dropped notes happen with other instruments than Kontakt as well for you?
Karel, my sincere apology for being so late to respond to you. The answer is, I'm not sure! 99% of all of the VI that I use are Kontakt, and though I have 7 or 8 others, I have not tested them in sequences.

All that I can add about this problem is this problem seems to be more accute when the amount of midi data in a Digital Performer file gets very large, i.e. if I have only a few DP tracks, using only a few VEPro5/Kontakt5 instances, it is unliikly that I will get dropped or hanging notes. OTOH, if I am doing an orchestral score, in sections where the entire orchestra is playing, there is a very good chance that I will get dropped or hanging notes. And once it happens, the file seems to get terminally corrupted and even if I reduce the number of instruments playing, dropped or hanging notes still occur.

again, thanks for your assistance

DigiPerf 8.07, VEPro 5, PTools 10, Sib. 7.5,
OS 10.8.5, MacPro 2.66x8core, 16 Gig RAM, 4 x >120G hds, 2 x 25" LCDs
couple o' hardware synths, loadza (legal) libraries
Kurz Midiboard, MOTU MTP AV
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Posted on Sat, Aug 25 2012 17:50
by labman
Joined on Tue, Sep 28 2010, Posts 118
Our orch template is also quite large in DP7.2x. Stuck notes or drop outs can occur even if only using 5 trks in a section.

And we run very capable MacPro rigs here.
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Posted on Wed, Aug 29 2012 22:41
by Sergievsky
Joined on Sat, Oct 08 2011, Posts 7
Anything new on this? I'm still at VE4 and am considering upgrading to 5, mostly for the extra midi the Event inputs allows, but would really like to avoid headaches like these. It reminds me of the volume surges I experienced ni DP5 that motu never fixed (or even acknowledged I think) until they got to version 7.
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