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Last post Fri, Apr 06 2012 by andyjh, 27 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2012 12:36
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 I am a MIR Pro user, and it is amazing,  all that R&D, and coding made it cost €800,  and seemed to be worth every penny (cent). 

So with MIR Pro 24 only €400, and  24 Instruments/sections is not much of a limitation at all,  it is really the same thing for half price, it seems we all paid a little too much for MIR Pro.  Indifferent

Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2012 14:08
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 259

Just wait until you get the VSL Dimension Strings, there you will have the 24 instrument slots already filled up only with violins ;)

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 12:31
by Animus
Joined on Fri, Sep 25 2009, Posts 146

I would say at almost 3 times less the cost and the only difference is the amount of channels I would say MIR pro is a little overpriced.

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 12:54
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622

Animus wrote:
almost 3 times less
 

How do you get this calculation??

best

Herb

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 13:13
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
gabriel81 wrote:

Just wait until you get the VSL Dimension Strings, there you will have the 24 instrument slots already filled up only with violins ;)

 

 Assuming Dimension Strings* works like Dimension Brass, then you will still only have 5 string sections going to MIR,  VI Pro will deal with the divisi, as dividing each section into four is enough division (and if it isn't - I am sure an updated VI Pro would resolve that).

Perhaps MIR users could take a count of their MIR stage and post here how many typical instruments they have on the stage.  It just never seems to quite get to 24 instances.  Which is why I mentioned that MIR24 is not really limited much at all.

* This is assuming also, that Dimension Strings is something that will exist at some point !

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 13:25
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2726

Hi Herb

At it's price you should be able to use MIR PRO on 3 computers, specially that today MIR PRO is still a I/O-CPU exterminator.

Just hoping that VI 2.2 will solve this !! any news ? 

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 13:36
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2726
andyjh wrote:

Perhaps MIR users could take a count of their MIR stage and post here how many typical instruments they have on the stage.  It just never seems to quite get to 24 instances.  

97 x Vi + ???? audio input 

I am waiting to see when MIR PRO/VE/VI  will be a bit more stabilized to make the choice of sending the other instruments in 6 channels (5.1) or to send them in stereo channels to MIR or to use the 5.1 reverb of Logic

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 14:18
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 How do you get 97 sections on one stage - there wouldn't normally be that amount of players in a complete symphony orchestra.  70 string players is still only 5 MIR entries

How are you working with MIR?

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 16:53
by nicowieditz
Joined on Tue, Apr 25 2006, GERMANY, Posts 70

MIR Pro is not overpriced. Pro24 has a similar base like Pro SE, so why founding a new small version if there is a platform of Pro SE users. I worked with the demo of MIR Pro and found out that my Mac Pro 8-core is not fast enough to do all the things in a satisfying speed, so I will invest into the MIR Pro after replacing my 3,1 Mac Pro with the new one coming in April 2012. 

MIR Pro is worth the money in all functions. I am happy that the price is not higher than 800 Euro. If you earn no money with music, so just for spare time, then I agree that the price is hard to overcome, but if you earn money the price of 800 Euros is nothing against the results you can offer to the music industry. Think about it.

Logic X / Mac Pro / 12-core / 96 GB RAM / 6 TB SSD / 12 TB HDD / Mac OSX.XIV
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 17:08
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 As I bought MIR Pro, I was quite happy that for that technolgy, €800 was the price it needed to be, and as I mentioned previously I think it is worth it. 

But if it needs to be €800 that is fine,  so how come MIR Pro 24 halves it at €400?  with such a small difference between them, my point is, that I don't think MIR Pro 24 has enough restriction to justify the pricing difference. 

I wouldn't classify MIR Pro 24 as being a "smaller version", it's virtually the same thing.

Maybe some future updates may widen their spec further? ................

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 17:24
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
andyjh wrote:

 How do you get 97 sections on one stage - there wouldn't normally be that amount of players in a complete symphony orchestra.  70 string players is still only 5 MIR entries

How are you working with MIR?

 

 My 1st violin section takes up 7 stage positions:

App Vln 1 x 2

Orch Vln 1 x 2

Chamb Vln 1 x 2

Solo Vln

If I wanted mutes as well, that would be 14 stage positions per section. That's already 70 for the Strings.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 18:00
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2726
DG wrote:

 My 1st violin section takes up 7 stage positions:

App Vln 1 x 2

Orch Vln 1 x 2

Chamb Vln 1 x 2

Solo Vln

If I wanted mutes as well, that would be 14 stage positions per section. That's already 70 for the Strings.

DG

Same for me

If my memory is good (I am not in front of my music computer) winds are 30, brass are 32,....

I had 8 x VE before moving to VE PRO 5 and MIR PRO

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 18:16
by dbudde
Joined on Sun, Mar 02 2003, Seattle,WA USA, Posts 470

How about offering MIR Pro12 for 200Euros, or better yet, MIR Pro1 for 20Euros?  I'm sure that would get the other convolution reverb suppliers scrambling.

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 18:33
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

I have the same Setup as DG stated, with additional ones for both LASS and Symphobia 1&2 to layer with.  My templates completely crush past the 24 icon limitation.

I see what some of you are trying to say about the price, but I still feel I got a great deal because I purchased the original MIR and got my upgrades for free.  On top of this, compared to purchasing a Bricasti and other hardware units, you still save a lot of money.  Not to forget how easy MIR PRO is to work with for instant decent/great results.  Some people who only play solo piano and maybe solo violin might have some heartburn over this but for me, I felt I got a great deal paying full price for MIR.

Maestro2be

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 128GB RAM, AMD 3970X 32-core
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme, Radeon RX 5500 XT
Studio One 5.1.1, Cubase 10.5, Nuendo 10
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Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 20:11
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7976
andyjh wrote:

 I am a MIR Pro user, and it is amazing,  all that R&D, and coding made it cost €800,  and seemed to be worth every penny (cent). 

So with MIR Pro 24 only €400, and  24 Instruments/sections is not much of a limitation at all,  it is really the same thing for half price, it seems we all paid a little too much for MIR Pro.  Indifferent

While VSL usually doesn't comment their pricing scheme it might be worth mentioning that MIR Pro 24 is mainly meant as a friendly offer for those professional MIR users who need a second or third license for slave computers ... it's hard to please everybody, I know, but it's a bit surprising to read a complaint that a new product is too _cheap_ ...

Tongue Tied

From another point-of-view, MIR Pro 24 can also be seen as the successor of legacy Vienna MIR SE - as an entry into the world of multi impulse response-based mixing. Nevertheless I think that most of the experienced users will agree that it won't take away from full-blown MIR Pro with unlimited stage positions. :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 23:42
by Animus
Joined on Fri, Sep 25 2009, Posts 146

okay, at less than half the cost then.   :-)

Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2012 23:57
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2726
Dietz wrote:

 MIR Pro 24 is mainly meant as a friendly offer for those professional MIR users who need a second or third license for slave computers 

It depends how you calculate it Wink

MIR PRO =  100 instruments = 800 Euro = 8 euro per instrument (If I use IAC, less if I use Event input on the best Mac availlable))

MIR PRO 24 = 24 instruments = 400 euro = 16.67 euro per instrument

Today you cannot use the full power(1) of a 12 core Macpro ( only 60 %)

At 60 % of power used you get hanging notes

If you cannot fix the hanging note problem ;  MIR PRO sould have the same licencing rules than VE PRO 5, 3 serials per user

Best regards

Cyril

(1) if we could have the number of voice used we could make better calculation

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Apr 06 2012 09:22
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Cyril, what is the hanging note problem? I've never noticed this on my system. Can you be more specific as to what causes it?

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Fri, Apr 06 2012 10:21
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13436

Hi DG, 

If I may jump in here: Hanging notes do occur in combination with the Multiport Environment we have established specifically for Logic. Unfortunately Logic sometimes randomly drops notes internally (the heavier the traffic, the more likely this occurs). 

This is something we are working on together with the Logic developers (it cannot be solved by VSL alone, as pointed out in many posts and also in the changelogs and manuals). 

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Apr 06 2012 10:53
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Paul wrote:

Hi DG, 

If I may jump in here: Hanging notes do occur in combination with the Multiport Environment we have established specifically for Logic. Unfortunately Logic sometimes randomly drops notes internally (the heavier the traffic, the more likely this occurs). 

This is something we are working on together with the Logic developers (it cannot be solved by VSL alone, as pointed out in many posts and also in the changelogs and manuals). 

Best, 

Paul

 

OK, so there is no problem with VE Pro then. So Cyril is asking for a discount just because he chose to use a particular sequencer? Surprise

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
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