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Last post Sat, Apr 21 2012 by Christian Marcussen, 19 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 11:07
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508

Hi. Are any of you running MIR on the same computer as your instruments - say your main DAW for instance? Is that even possible, and what does it take in terms of computer power? In other words is it possible to use VSL while running MIR on the same computer at the same time? 

Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 11:41
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686

yes I do on my 12 core

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 13:20
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 Well yes,  you would run your VSL library on the same computer as MIR (Pro) , because MIR Pro is part of VE Pro, so your VST's sit in VE Pro which MIR Pro is now all part of.

I run my VSL library with MIR Pro on a single computer,  but use a master computer (running Cubase) as the main DAW.  It is a 4 core i7 system, the trick to a successful system is lots of RAM (24Gb) and fast drives (WD Caviar Blacks).  I run huge busy arrangements, and it has never faltered yet. 

But if you prefer to use untidy templates (loading everything you have - just in case you need it), then you'll always be fighting for processing power/time.

So it's not just the system you have, it's the way you work as well. 

Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 14:18
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

I'll be frank about how I *would* use MIR Pro. I would render everything to audio, send to VEP 5/MIR Pro as Audio Input, and use it in a pure mixing scenario, no instruments loaded, and not running any midi. MIR Pro is a serious resources beastie and I would dedicate the system to just it. (ie., as little in the sequencer as possible on the same machine)

MacBook Pro 16,1: 2.3 GHz 8-core i9
64GB 2667MHz DDR4
OSX 10.15.7
VE Pro 7.1056, Cubase Pro 11.0.0
Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 14:23
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807
Cyril wrote:

yes I do on my 12 core

your post is a great waste of space. 14 lines in the signature, which is really someone bragging, and this empty post. To what extent do you run it? with what gigantic latency? 

MacBook Pro 16,1: 2.3 GHz 8-core i9
64GB 2667MHz DDR4
OSX 10.15.7
VE Pro 7.1056, Cubase Pro 11.0.0
Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 15:38
by Tom23
Joined on Mon, Feb 26 2007, Miller, Posts 119

Waste of space?  Calm down.  No one's on trial here.

Posted on Thu, Apr 12 2012 18:31
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7681
Christian Marcussen wrote:

Hi. Are any of you running MIR on the same computer as your instruments - say your main DAW for instance? Is that even possible, and what does it take in terms of computer power? In other words is it possible to use VSL while running MIR on the same computer at the same time? 

Hi Christian,

Many MIR-users run VIs on the same machine - most of them _inside_ MIR Pro / VE Pro, actually.

As long as we're talking about sample players, chances are that they won't put that much strain on the CPU, at least as long as you don't use fancy features. Data transfer speed from the disk is more important in these cases, and available RAM, of course. On my three years old Win7 developing machine I can easily use about 40 to 50 MIR Icons on a stage while controlling them from Nuendo running in the background. The used latency settings won't be low enough for proper real-time playing (1024/2048), but good enough for mixing by far.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Apr 13 2012 07:56
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686
civilization 3 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

yes I do on my 12 core

your post is a great waste of space. 14 lines in the signature, which is really someone bragging, and this empty post. To what extent do you run it? with what gigantic latency? 

VSL is asking that each user puts it's configuration in the signature !!!

The signature  is not taking disk space as there is a link to it in the message.

My test done show you can run very heavy project using IAC, my test song is "form the new world of Anton Dvorak where tremolos are made with notes". This project play in 7.1 !

Mir latency is set to 0 but Logic is set to 1024

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Fri, Apr 13 2012 08:54
by Popslaw
Joined on Wed, Jun 22 2011, Posts 138

As an example of a system on the lower end of the spectrum, I'm using a 2.60 GHz Athlon processor with only 6 GB of RAM. I recently downloaded the MIR Pro demo and was suprised to find that it wasn't completely unusable on my system. While it wasn't of much use for real-time playing, I could load 25 or so icons (about 3 GB) of instruments into VE Pro and run a moderately busy piece of music through MIR (Mozartsaal stage) to produce a wav file from Sibelius. For real-time playback, it gets pretty laggy with just a couple of instruments.

Posted on Fri, Apr 13 2012 15:52
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600
Cyril wrote:

This project play in 7.1 !

 

And why do you need to use 7.1,  what format does your music end up on ? 

and by the way,  Tremolos don't need much processing,  they maybe fast,  but they are only the same two notes  so not much sample fetching there.  A better example to try would be something like Ruslan & Ludmilla overture, very fast runs with different notes.

Posted on Fri, Apr 13 2012 18:36
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686
andyjh wrote:
Cyril wrote:

This project play in 7.1 !

 

And why do you need to use 7.1,  what format does your music end up on ? 

In French we say "qui peux le plus peu le moins" --> if you can play a 7.1 project, you can play the same project in 5.1 or in stereo

andyjh wrote:

and by the way,  Tremolos don't need much processing,  they maybe fast,  but they are only the same two notes  so not much sample fetching there.  A better example to try would be something like Ruslan & Ludmilla overture, very fast runs with different notes.

when you have all  the strings doing a tremolo plus all the orchestra is doing a tutti it is cpu killing

For Ruslan & Ludmilla overture, send me the Logic or the midi file, I will try it

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Apr 13 2012 19:37
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

Cyril wrote:
In French we say "qui peux le plus peu le moins" --> if you can play a 7.1 project, you can play the same project in 5.1 or in stereo

 

 

Well yes a sound statement, so are you saying that you use 7.1 just because you can rather than because you need to?

Cyril wrote:
For Ruslan & Ludmilla overture, send me the Logic or the midi file, I will try it

 

 You'll need to get the orchestra score and play it in, it's about 170 bpm and loads of semi-quaver runs, and the whole orchestra do this too. I have heard one recording done at 180bpm.   This will test any system.....

Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 01:18
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686
andyjh wrote:

Cyril wrote:
In French we say "qui peux le plus peu le moins" --> if you can play a 7.1 project, you can play the same project in 5.1 or in stereo

 

 

Well yes a sound statement, so are you saying that you use 7.1 just because you can rather than because you need to?

For the moment MIR pro in my studio is still considered "in test"

I have use this piece as test since 20 years.

When you play a song with MIR PRO i 7.1, it is CPU killing, much more than in 5.1 than in stereo

andyjh wrote:

 You'll need to get the orchestra score and play it in, it's about 170 bpm and loads of semi-quaver runs, and the whole orchestra do this too. I have heard one recording done at 180bpm.   This will test any system.....

Don't you have it ?

You are a strange man, you are speaking of pieces that you have not even try on your system !

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 02:35
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686
andyjh wrote:

Cyril wrote:
For Ruslan & Ludmilla overture, send me the Logic or the midi file, I will try it

 

 You'll need to get the orchestra score and play it in, it's about 170 bpm and loads of semi-quaver runs, and the whole orchestra do this too. I have heard one recording done at 180bpm.   This will test any system.....

is that this piece ?

http://solmire.com/download/midi/34151/glinka-ruslan-and-ludmilla-overture-mid.mid

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 17:37
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

 Yes, that is the piece. 

How ever, it seems to be a 14 track midi file, this piece should be scored for:-

Flutes x2, Oboe x2, Clarinet x2, Bassoon x2, Contra Bassoon x2, Horns x4, Trumpets x2, Alto Trombone, Tenor Trombone x3, Bass Trombone, Timpani, Violins I, Violins II, Viola, Cello, Contra.  (The Violins & Viola split 3 ways too).

So you would need 33 tracks to perform this fully,  you cannot get this from a MIDI file -  That 14 track midifile is not going to prove much.

Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 18:46
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1075

Forgive my interjection here guys - since I am not a technical person - but the classical/early-romantic works that you are using to test your systems (with all their fast tempi and semi-quavers), perhaps are not the indicative ones for modern scoring requirements (except if you're of the Hans' School). Petrouchka or The Rite of Spring would be more akin to current symphonic heavyweights, I mean if you want to really know the limits of your systems. Just a thought...

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 20:23
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2686
Errikos wrote:

Forgive my interjection here guys - since I am not a technical person - but the classical/early-romantic works that you are using to test your systems (with all their fast tempi and semi-quavers), perhaps are not the indicative ones for modern scoring requirements (except if you're of the Hans' School). Petrouchka or The Rite of Spring would be more akin to current symphonic heavyweights, I mean if you want to really know the limits of your systems. Just a thought...

So you would need 33 tracks to perform this fully,  you cannot get this from a MIDI file -  That 14 track midifile is not going to prove much.


I dont mind to do a test, just provide me the  midi file !!

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Sat, Apr 14 2012 23:25
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1075

I believe the MIDI file to The Rite of Spring is available in the DEMO zone, provided by Jay Bacal. I think getting some benchmarks from such a work would be worth it.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sat, Apr 21 2012 12:56
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508

Thanks guys. 

It seems I downloaded MIR on my old computer but never tried it due lacking hardware. I hope VSL are willing to let me try it again (sending me a new trail activation code). Fingers crossed. 

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