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Posted on Thu, Jul 19 2012 19:17
by blake46
Joined on Sat, Nov 08 2008, Posts 9
I'm planning to start an MFA in composition for the screen and trying to put together a decent, entry level orchestral scoring system - one that could make a reasonable pro mock-up or score a mid-level video game using a medium sized orchestra based on VSL SE. I have VSL SE vol 1, protools 8, logic pro 8, ableton live 8 all loaded on a 2 ghz macbook pro w 2 gigs of ram. Obviously, both protools and logic choke on more than 4 or 5 instances of the VI plug-in. I am an old hand at protools and would prefer to stay in that DAW. So after some exhaustive (though perhaps not exhaustive enough)sifting through the threads on the topic, here is my plan for an entry level, professional mock-up maker.

Master: 2 ghz macbook pro running protools LE 8.03 and VEP5
Slave: mac mini i7 server w 16 gig third party memory running VEP5 and loaded w VSL SE vol 1

I haven't worked out how to control the mini with the macbook, so don't know if this is fully possible. Any pointers? Thanks all, in advance

Blake
2.3 Ghz i7 quad-core macbook pro (mid 2012)
500 Gb HDD 5400 RPM drive
16 Mb Crucial 1600 Mhz DDR (1.35 V)
VE special édition vol 1
Posted on Fri, Jul 20 2012 18:01
by Mike B Studios
Joined on Thu, Feb 16 2012, Hollywood, CA, Posts 410

Is there room for more Ram in that MacBook Pro?

In my humble opinion, you'll want SE 1 as well as SE 1 PLUS for its extra articulations.

Add SE 2 and SE 2 PLUS and you're in business.

Posted on Fri, Jul 20 2012 19:00
by blake46
Joined on Sat, Nov 08 2008, Posts 9
Thanks, Mike, and yes, I agree - it's just timing. I want to get something minimal working that let's me do some basic (but professional sounding) cues to stock up my reel and get my chops up to speed with VSL midi programming. The limited articulations will eventually be an issue, but for now having only a handful of options makes me more disciplined as a composer. I can't rely on glisses or scale runs to create a sense of reality. Just using legato strings, for example, might eventually become boring, but it also challenges you to really look for emotion and tension in your chord forms. Or maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better that I can't afford it yet:)

Anyone out there controlling an MMS, without a display, from a macbook pro using a LAN? Or is everyone just keeping them separate systems transferring only midi and audio? If anyone knows of any resources or tutorials, I will buy you a microbrew the next time you're in Albuquerque, NM
2.3 Ghz i7 quad-core macbook pro (mid 2012)
500 Gb HDD 5400 RPM drive
16 Mb Crucial 1600 Mhz DDR (1.35 V)
VE special édition vol 1
Posted on Fri, Jul 20 2012 19:03
by blake46
Joined on Sat, Nov 08 2008, Posts 9
yes, I believe OWC has a 4 Gb upgrade. I have just had some bad luck with third party memory in a macbook and wanted to see if 2 Gb could handle the DAW and VE5 plug-ins if the slave is handling all the actual samples. If its still glitchy I guess I'd shell out for the upgrade
2.3 Ghz i7 quad-core macbook pro (mid 2012)
500 Gb HDD 5400 RPM drive
16 Mb Crucial 1600 Mhz DDR (1.35 V)
VE special édition vol 1
Posted on Fri, Jul 20 2012 19:21
by FredB
Joined on Sat, Apr 01 2006, Montreal, Posts 669

About the hardware only...

blake46 wrote:
haven't worked out how to control the mini with the macbook
.

Yes, with the built-in Os X share screen option, really simple. But it may be cluttered a bit to have both Pro Tools and VEP on the same screen. You could use a monitor for the Mac mini and share the mouse and keyboard with something like http://abyssoft.com/software/teleport/ wich i use everyday.

The Slave computer setup seems perfect to me. I think the Master computer is really set at the minimum for what you want to do. 

blake46 wrote:
both protools and logic choke on more than 4 or 5 instances of the VI plug-in
 

Even if the Mac Mini VE Pro slave will help a lot, you should not neglect some minimal specifications for the master computer.

Processor/RAM/Disk Speed...

Is your Macbook Pro is a Core2Duo or a i5/i7? 

Can you add more RAM? 2gb will probably be okay if you don't use too much audio plugins when programming midi. But you'll see the limit very soon.

What is the speed of the drive in the MBP? 5400 or 7200rpm? Should not make any difference if you are  using the remote computer to process the sample based VI. 

Fred

Master: Imac I7 32Gb Late 2013 - - OsX 10.13.6
Slave: Corei7 6800k 64gb - Win 10
Soft: Logic X 10.4.4 - ProTools 12.x - VE Pro 6 - VI Pro 2 - MIR
Posted on Fri, Jul 20 2012 19:28
by Mike B Studios
Joined on Thu, Feb 16 2012, Hollywood, CA, Posts 410

There ya go, help has arrived.

Posted on Sat, Jul 21 2012 00:52
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376

Change the Mac Mini Server for a Win7 PC if you're using it for a slave - you'll get more bang for your buck and you'll barely have to interact with it so it's not like the OS matters beyond providing a stable environment for VEP. You can control it using Remote Desktop Connection which is free. I agree that the master machine looks on the weak side. Perhaps you could use the Mini Server as the main machine and not use a slave?

My tuppence worth...

Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Sun, Jul 22 2012 20:07
by blake46
Joined on Sat, Nov 08 2008, Posts 9
Thank you Martin, yes I have considered a PC for the slave. So I guess no ones having issues with VEP sending midi/audio via ethernet with mac master and PC slave? I had that set up a number of years ago with a home built PC running gigastudio, though I needed a separate midi/audio interface to do it of course. It was the most stable system I've had till the G4 master died.

The macbook pro is a intel core duo 2.16 Ghz machine, an old aluminum. I know it's a little outgunned, but I am willing to live with 30 or so tracks and a maybe a couple of Dverbs and EQ7s for now. I imagine I could I will double the ram to 4 Gigs, which I know is still a little low, but hopefully gets me started. Any advice on a PC slave if I went that route? I've been in mac land for the last 10 yrs so I'm out of touch.
2.3 Ghz i7 quad-core macbook pro (mid 2012)
500 Gb HDD 5400 RPM drive
16 Mb Crucial 1600 Mhz DDR (1.35 V)
VE special édition vol 1
Posted on Mon, Jul 23 2012 17:15
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376

Look for a specialist PC builder who makes workstations for audio. In the UK I have had a good experience with Direct Resolutions and Carillon. One thing to consider is that you may need an extra network card for the PC slave rather than using the ethernet connection on the motherboard as I've found it provides a more reliable connection. These are only £30 or so though.

Having made the case for a PC slave, I now think that the Mac Mini has the benefit of being a convenient replacement should you find that your MacBook Pro is not up to the task of being the master machine. The same cannot be said if you buy a PC slave. I was using the same MacBook Pro as you until the start of this year and it really was struggling with Logic when I was running 10 instances of VEP (not all full) and a few Altiverbs. Admittedly Altiverb is a bit hard on the CPU.

Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
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