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  • VEP5 / MIR Pro - Abilitiy to load positioning data without reloading sample content?

    T
    T

     Hi!

    Will it ever be possible to save/reload the positioning data of an instrument within MIR Pro (and channel settings within VEP5), without reloading all sample content contained within the VEP instance?

    Thanks!
  • F
    F

    If just found that one by chance recently.

    Right click on the red MIR Pro plugin in the mixer view. You have a Load and save option. It saves a .mirchan file.

    It's for only one channel a a time...

    EDIT: You can access those feature in the MIR Pro view by right-Clicking an icon.
  • T
    T

     Thanks for the tip!

    Is there any technical reason for why this could not be implemented as a function for all channels? Like an option to load these settings when changing your sequencer project. Or just a manual save/load function for that matter.

    Until a feature like this comes a long I cannot properly implement MIR into my workflow, it just takes to much time having to reload all samples just to recall some positioning and channel data.

  • F
    F

    I think what makes it a per channel feature only is that VE Pro cant guess wich instruments is loaded on wich channel and in what order. ie, some project may have 5 woodwinds + 5 Strings and others have 12 woodwinds + 10 strings plus aux tracks and channel inputs. Its like the ability to save the automation configuration. For now it's impossible too.

    I may have a workaround...

    Instead of using the MIR Pro plugin on your instrument channel, create a bus channel and put it there.

    Now route the output of your instrument to the bus input.

    When you have set all the Bus/Mir channels you need, save a channel set for this goup of positionized bus.

    So, with Channel sets and busses you can make different positionning templates without having to reload each instrument.

    Sure you have doubled the number of channel but you can now save your positioning.

    EDIT: And it will save the track inserts too.
  • T
    T

     Ah, thank you! yeah that might work, on the expense of a ton of channels [:)]

    My template is weighing in at about 55 gb at the moment, and I have reduced the amount of VEP instances to three, which results in a lot of channels pr instance. I will try this approach to see if my computer can handle the additional number of channels.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Tom, unless I misunderstood your question you should look into the "Channel Set"- and "Merge Projects"-features. I think all you need is already there. :-)

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • T
    T

     Hi Dietz!
    What I am after is the kind of solution which Fred mentioned is possible through the use of busses.
    I need to be able to save and recall the position of instruments placed within MIR, without reloading all samples contained in the specific VSTs.

    Now what Fred is suggesting is creating one separate bus for each vst instrument, and placing the MIR Pro plugin on this pus, thus when using the "Channel Set" feature, I will be able to save/recall different MIR positinings/seatings, without having to reload the samples.

    But just to be clear, is this the only way to achieve this?

    Thank you!
  • T
    T

    Hi again! Sorry to be going on about this :)  I tried out the suggestion from FredB, unfortunatly this workaround turned out to be impractical. The reason for this is that when you assign an instrument output to a bus, it will lose it's settings when the bus is deleted. The idea was to let busses hold the MIR Pro plugin, then saving "Channel sets" for groups of busses, to be able to load different seating/volum/effect configurations within VE Pro. The problem is that you would manually have to reassign every single output of all the instruments to the busses, each time you load a new channel set, which is way to impractical.

    It would be great to have some input from some of the developers here, is this something that can be done, either in existing or future versions of VEP/MIR?

    I can't be the only one wanting a more flexible solution to this. For orchestral setups, this isn't a huge issue. But when using large templates with alot of other instruments, it is a real hassle not being able to quickly recall different instrument placements within MIR, or settings such as volume and panning.

    My template is running on one computer, and is still expanding. It is now using about 60gb ram. I use 3 VE Pro instances: "Orchestra", "Studio Instruments" and "Synths". The "orchestra" instance is pretty much set, and doesn't often require me having to move around the instruments or change settings all the time. But in "Studio Instruments", I constantly have to reconfigure seatings/volum/panning within VEP/MIR, depending on what the current project/song requires.

    Now I cannot find a good way to make this work when switching projects (which is one of the major advantages with VEP). Ofcourse I can save my Cubase project, and have VEP load "incoming project data", BUT, this requires the whole instance having to reload every instrument and every sample each time you switch project. And it goes without saying that this takes alot of time. In the "Synth" instance I can "load incoming project data" to reconfigure this instance, because it doesn't require VEP to reload 30 gb of samples, and thus it is almost no load time. Is there any way we can save/load channel/mir settings without having to reload all the samples? I have looked into the "channel set/preset" feature, but I can't figure out a good workaround using these.

    So; Is there a some functionality to VEP I am missing, or does there exist some kind of clever workaround? If not - Is this something you could work on for future versions of VE Pro? As I see it, there is no practical way of achieving what I'm asking, every workaround requires either to much load time or to much hassle if you quickly have to change projects.

    Thank you!
  • T
    T

     Ok, maybe I misunderstood Fred. Using audio input channels in VEP to pick up the sound from VI Pro, Kontakt and such, actually works. Using Audio Input channels as a "holder" for the MIR plugin and other plugins that might require a change, and then saving the all the audio inputs as a group, and then using the channel set feature to save/load different configurations, will work as a workaround for what I'm asking. I still wish there was a more "automatic" way of doing this, as this approach requires you to select the group, delete all the selected channels, then load the a channel set which you have saved for a specific project.

    But still it works! [:)]