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Last post Mon, Feb 11 2013 by 9u10m, 9 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2012 15:10
by bhartmann
Joined on Thu, Mar 10 2011, Posts 170
My apologies if this has been asked and answered before (which is likely), but how does one control the portamento time or amount for strings? I have the older SE and SE+ collection which includes Orch, Chamber, and Solo Strings (and a small set of Appassionata.

Although a slow (long) portamento can be great, many times I just need a small slur to mimic a player changing hand positions. Is there any way to control this?

Thanks.
The Mighty Konrad
Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2012 16:49
by markbatuer
Joined on Tue, Nov 15 2011, Posts 22
Me too. I also want to know how to do this. And Paul, can a video be made to explain how to do this? I have SE and recently I bought Dimension Strings, the portamento speed/time is always a issue for me.
Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2012 17:17
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
bhartmann wrote:
My apologies if this has been asked and answered before (which is likely), but how does one control the portamento time or amount for strings? I have the older SE and SE+ collection which includes Orch, Chamber, and Solo Strings (and a small set of Appassionata.
Although a slow (long) portamento can be great, many times I just need a small slur to mimic a player changing hand positions. Is there any way to control this? Thanks.

Short answer is yes. Long answer is that it won't mimic change o position, because the VSL portamento is not played in the same way as a change of position. However, you can use the Slur articulations if you want to make it a bit dirty.

To change the Portamento speed use the stretch feature in VI Pro. I have 4 different lengths of Portamento set up in my Preset and I use velocity to change patch. The harder I hit it, the quicker the slide.

DG

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Posted on Thu, Feb 07 2013 19:29
by Mos'art
Joined on Thu, Dec 20 2012, montreal, Posts 21
Hello DG, my name is Boris
I've been viewing the comments on portamento in Vienna, and I'm trying to find the stretch feature in VI pro 2.
Thank you in advance
Boris
Posted on Fri, Feb 08 2013 05:21
by noldar12
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2008, Posts 582

The stretch function is on the advance/detail page (not sure of the name off hand) of VI Pro 2.  You can draw any curve you like, and is quite easy to do.  Note that the stretched samples do use additional memory, as each stretched sample becomes a new articulation.

Posted on Fri, Feb 08 2013 11:14
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13300

Hi, 

Just wanted to add that there is a video showing "Enveloped Timestretching" with VI PRO 2. 

You can get a free demo license of VI PRO on the VI PRO product page (click "try"). 

These demo licenses work for 30 days/30 starts. 

Once the 30 starts are used up, you can recharge them as often as you like by clicking "Maintenance" in the eLicenser Control Center (within 30 days). 


Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Feb 09 2013 11:31
by Casiquire
Joined on Sat, May 01 2010, Posts 325
One thing that the videos don't really explain fully is how does the user know how long the attack is of each sample, then how long the rest of the sample is, and where the release comes in? Or how long a port transition takes? Is there a reference for all of this information? There's such a massive amount of patches, I would think that playing it by ear every time would be very tedious and might end in a bit of a sloppy result as it would be easy to accidentally be just slightly inaccurate.
Posted on Sat, Feb 09 2013 16:13
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13300

Hi Casiquire, 

Each instrument is a bit different, also in terms of attack, sample length and even decay. 

I´d say, 10-20 ms will cover the attack region for most instruments, legato transitions will also be around 20-30 ms, portamento will be a bit longer (20-40 ms).  

Rendering will take most time with performance trills (with multiple thousand samples) and performance trills (500-1000 samples), and rather little time with short single note articulations. 

Herb has also created quite some VI PRO 2 presets with different versions of portamentos, run speeds and so forth. As soon as you enable these cells, the corresponding patches will be rendered.

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Feb 11 2013 15:42
by 9u10m
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2008, Posts 83

Yes, this is exactly why I thought I'd ask for presets for DS in that department.

Looks like an obvious one to me, although it seems we're only a few...

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