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  • That's the way the world goes

    ...and HZ is its prophet...

    Please, don't miss to read the sharing comments and apologia.

    Apologia of an idiot.

    http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showthread.php?t=42296


  • I actually found the piece and listened to it. Not his worst offering actually, but languid and boring finally, could have just as easily been a third of the length and make a better impression. However,

    Here is one of the commentaries I picked out from underneath: "...gave me chills the first time I heard it", "I almost thought I heard Batman's own 2-note(!!) theme...", "Simply incredible..." etc. And I ask: What the motherf*ck was "simply incredible" in that track?! "Simply incredible" means "simply impossible to believe" (he means in a good way). Not "very nice", not even "great", but "simply incredible". How can anybody flaunt their base I.Q. like that? I'd really like to know exactly what sounded "simply incredible" even to that ignorant simpleton's manure-filled ears. What was so hard to believe? Where is that leap of inspiration/technique/execution that dwarfs everybody's compositional efforts to date. If that piece was "simply incredible", how would that poor creature describe Schnittke's Choir Concerto?

    And to make matters so much worse for himself, the apologist signs his entries with the following:

    "Kites rise highest against the wind, not with it" - Winston Churchill

    "Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rakhmaninov

    I wonder, has this guy ever heard any Rakhmaninov? Especially The Bells? And does he feel that Hans is a rebel of sorts? Soaring with his 2-note themes against the musical wind of pathetic clichés (like proper polyphony for example...)

    This complete and utter decay we are dealing with all around us during the flowering of the new century, proves that the Platonic cave has a basement!


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    @Errikos said:

    I actually found the piece and listened to it. Not his worst offering actually, but languid and boring finally, could have just as easily been a third of the length and make a better impression.

    I agree this isn't his worst offering (did he use an average choir arranger?).

     I believe this is the usual pop-vulgar-tonal-fake threnody. Tonal refers to usual- pop- vulgar. I think Verdi's Requiem is totally "inconnu" to mr. Z.

    I'm sorry I have to go now.. I will complete my thought tomorrow.


  • Don't tell me that he needs an arranger even for this... Enough already please!...

    However that has more to do with what Servando and I have been discussing on another thread here. And I'm much more concerned with people's reactions and the adulation! There have always been bad composers in the world (maybe not as bad), but they more than less got the "recognition" they deserved. These days, what can one say but what a tearful laugh our times will be for future historians...


  • Among many possibilities, music is also ideas and significance. To these guys, music is mere (re)production. In all senses.They do not produce ideas, but simply reproduce same (old) "techniques", usually staccato, spiccato, etc..., adding some trivially pumped up sampled instruments and the Zimmerade is done.

    They love him because they feel to be on the same level (not inferior) and, in fact, they are same (except for the money). So, they think to master music as much as they think he (their master) does. Three or four lousy chords usually are enough. And, above all, to them, Music is Cinema, Music is Hollywood. If Mount Olympus is the house of Gods, Hollywod is where Music dwells. Z. and his followers represent a modern attitude distortion and, above all this, they just spread falsity. Music and humanity concerned.

    The "Forma" doesn't make any sense to them. Forma is not compulsory, its knowledge is nevertheless very useful.

    Bach used to say that "rules are there to be infringed", but he was a Master, not a nowadays kid who can afford to buy samples and put together some pseudo-orchestral noise...


  • Miki, Errikos -

    I know that you're both passionate about music in general and the "way the world goes" in particular ;-) --- but don't you think that this topic might be too much of a stretch for this forum ...? Thanks for your understanding.

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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