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VSL Keyswitch Dump for Finale
Last post Wed, Mar 29 2017 by andi, 14 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Oct 16 2012 16:45
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

We have a new file for our Finale users which should make the use of any of our sample libraries possible with Finale 2009 or higher. The Finale Library file "VSL Keyswitch Dump" adds MIDI Control Change and keyswitch expressions to the Expression Tool. This way articulations can be changed in the Vienna Instruments player regardless of the preset/matrix that is loaded. The layout of the score is not affected as the new expressions are hidden by default.

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 16 2012 17:26
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 959

Thanks you so much Andi!  Figuring out all the dumps in HEX has always been nightmare.

Finale 25, Sibelius 2018, Notion 6, Overture 5, Cubase 10.5, StaffPad
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Posted on Wed, Oct 17 2012 03:33
by bogdan
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Canada/ Brockville, Posts 271

Hi Andi,

   What A SUPER GREAT NEWS:)

   Thanks you very much for this one !!  

   Best,

  B

Posted on Wed, Oct 17 2012 18:18
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

Fantastic.  Thank you.  I experimented with dump and VSL and it took me several tries before I found the right hex representation for a particular keyswitch midi note.  Very tedious.

The readme says it doesn't depend on the Human Playback system which I understand and may ultimately be a good thing, but you still need HP to interpret dynamics correct?  I think it would be great to be able to turn HP off actually because I think it does some strange things especially with regard to dynamic "mis-interpretation" at least for me. 

Another possilbility this method of keyswitch could afford is for mixing libraries.  If for example you wanted to use some GPO instruments along with VSL simply set the method of dynamics for sustaining instruments in Finale to use CC#7 + velocity then change expression in VSL to use CC#7 and even Velocity XFade to use CC#7 and use these keyswitch expressions rather than creating all the HP techniques.

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Wed, Oct 17 2012 18:59
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 959

HP has the advantage of being able to perform two actions; very good for an x y matrix. A staff expression can still only do one.

I think these are a good adjunct, for switching matrices orAB switches.

Finale 25, Sibelius 2018, Notion 6, Overture 5, Cubase 10.5, StaffPad
Win10 x64, 32GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
August Forster 190
Posted on Thu, Oct 18 2012 10:18
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hi winknotes_282!

It's not necessary but it is possible to turn off Human Playback completely and still use our collections with the VSL Keyswitch Dump. The velocity values according to the dynamic marks you have written will be sent anyway. You are right that Human Playback does some addional interpretation with dynamics.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Oct 31 2012 12:50
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 278

Thank you very much!

Michael

Posted on Fri, Nov 23 2012 17:56
by dayadon
Joined on Fri, Aug 03 2007, Posts 172

Yes!

This makes Finale very nice to use with VSL now!  Thank you!

Dennis

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Posted on Tue, Jan 08 2013 19:56
by luigi.di.guida
Joined on Fri, Apr 03 2009, Vico Equense (NA), Posts 4
Hi and thanks for the update.

But maybe I did not understand one thing:
the keyswitch must be ADDED to the joints? ....

That is, I have to enter the text and then add the keyswitch?

Or by loading the library and then using the tools of Finale, VSL Special edition plus recognize changes in articulations and submit them correctly to the player?

Thanks!
Luigi di Guida
Posted on Wed, Jan 09 2013 01:09
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 189

They are text expressions you simply insert in your score where you want a keyswitch to occur.  All the dump programming info is already programmed into each text expression and the expressions themselves are hidden text so they won't print in your score.

Steve
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Finale 2011, 2012c
VSL SE
Posted on Sat, Sep 10 2016 13:18
by wlasoen
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2016, Belgium, Posts 2

I'm very new to VSL, and I can't figure it out how to read the matrices in the manual and let them work in Finale. For instance, if you want a snap pizzicato in your violin solo (SE1), the dump would be KS F#1 according to the matrix, right? But I do not understand the principle of the Rows (V1, V2, sometimes V3) and how to exactly choose the right KS that sets the articulation as mentioned in Row V2. You get my point?

Posted on Sat, Sep 10 2016 14:52
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hello wlasoen and welcome to the forum!

The Special Edition and Special Edition PLUS matrices have MIDI CC1 mapped by default for Y-Axis control. So you will have to add CC1 commands to your score to switch between rows. These commands are also included in the keyswitch dump file for Finale.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 29 2017 00:33
by Prong
Joined on Tue, Sep 16 2014, Posts 1

Hi

I got finale to play back the key switches but it doesn't seem to be able to read the dynamic, expression and crescendo and decrescendo. I'm wondering how could I fix that? Also what are those CC1:000 stand for?

Thank you

Posted on Wed, Mar 29 2017 08:21
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hello Prong!

In Finale you can set up which MIDI commands get sent to virtual instruments under Human Playback Preferences/Dynamics/Volume. Our instruments react to velocity and/or MIDI Control Changes according to your settings. If you use our instruments with Finale, I recommend the following settings in our instruments.
Velocity X-Fade turned on and set to CC11. Expression set to None, CC12 or any other free CC that you don't use for other faders. Master Volume set to CC7. Then I would set "Dynamic Approach for Sustaining Instruments" in the aforementioned Finale menu to "Expression (CC#11) + Velocity". Please note that some earlier Finale versions had CC7 and CC11 mixed up.

CC1:000 stands for Control Change 1, value 0.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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