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Vienna Ensemble and Notion
Last post Fri, Nov 23 2012 by MikeHC, 3 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Nov 11 2012 17:17
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Cognac, France, Posts 96

My setup consists of a "workstation" computer running Sibelius/Reaper, and a separate "server" computer running VE Pro, with most of the VSL SE loaded and "preserved".  I very rarely reboot the "server": when not in use I just hibernate it to save the planet (and my electricity bill).  And if Sibelius or any other dodgy software on my main computer crashes and forces a reboot, I don't have to wait 20 minutes while all the VSL samples are loaded.  So I can fire up Sibelius and within seconds, I'm up and running.

I'm currently evaluating Notion as a replacement or alternative to Sibelius.  While Notion officially supports the above setup, it does so in a very kludge-like way: you have to create a dummy staff for each VE Pro instance, and then set up instrument changes at the start of every staff to tell Notion to use a particular VE instance and channel number.  With a typical score using 20+ instruments, this makes initial score setup extremely tedious.  But worse than that is the fact that it's all done by channel numbers rather than instrument names, so  any changes within the preserved VE Pro instances will have to be reflected in any old scores in order for them to continue to work.  I often go back to old scores to re-work or adapt them.  This is definitely a step backwards compared with Sibelius 7!

The only way out seems to be not to use VE Pro, but to run Notion on the same machine as the VSL libraries, and just use individual instances of VI (or VI Pro). With a bit of juggling, I could do this.  But that would set me back to the situation where the VSL libraries have to be reloaded every time I reboot, or load a new score in Notion.  I remember that scenario from pre-VE days: I don't have time for that many coffee breaks!

I understand that installing an SSD would make the library load time much quicker.  But is that the only answer?

Posted on Fri, Nov 23 2012 04:57
by dshertz
Joined on Sun, Apr 25 2004, Posts 21

 I have been using Notion 4 with VSL SE loaded on an SSD and with 25-30 tracks I find the load time quite tolerable. Its probably a fourth to a fifth of hard drive load times.

The only drawback of shifting from a slave setup, to a one station setup, is processor loading, say for the use of MIR. Most of the time I use a Near/Mid/Far three tiered reverb, so this is not an issue for me.

Since most of my track processing is offloaded to a DSP card, that leaves plenty of headroom to support the additional VI loading and loading for reverb processing.

I am also using a 16 gig of memory and Windows X64 on an ASUS P8z77-V and i7 3770 at 3.4 GHz. That should help you size the system requirements.

Posted on Fri, Nov 23 2012 10:44
by MikeHC
Joined on Thu, Feb 19 2004, Cognac, France, Posts 96

Many thanks - that's very helpful.


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