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  • VEPRO 5 Efficiency and organization

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    I have never quite understood something regarding Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 regarding the best way to use it.

    Here is my setup...

    MacPro 8 Core Westmere, 32 gb of RAM, Master
    HP Pavillion Elite, 16gb of RAM, Slave
    Running Cubase 7 as my sequencer and Pro Tools 10 for mixing

    On the Mac Pro, I am running: 5 instances of Vienna Ensemble Pro 5:

    1 instance of VEP5 for EWQLSO Platinum Plus Woodwinds:
    which contains one instance of Play for Flute, one instance of Play for Oboe, one for Clarinet etc.

    1 instance of VEP5 for Hollywood Brass:
    which contains one instance of Play for French Horn, one instance of Play for Trumpet, etc.

    1 instance of VEP5 for EWQLSO Platinum Plus Percussion:
    which contains one instance of Play for Pitched Percussion, one instance of Play for Orch Perc, etc.

    and so on...
    On the PC Slave, I am running 2 instances of Vienna Ensemble Pro 5:

    1 instance of VEP5 for Hollywood Strings:
    which contains one instance of Play for 1st Violins, one instance of Play for 2nd Violins, one for Violas etc.

    1 instance of VEP5 for Omnisphere:
    which contains one instance of Play Channel 1, one instance of Channel 2, etc.

    Sorry for the long description, but i tried explaining it to a few people and I didn't get it across in a simple way, so I thought I would be through...

    Anyway, I feel like I am not using VEP5 properly. I see many people using it in videos and in other studios online and it seems like they have all their play plug ins going into one instance of VEP5. Meaning that they have one clean window in which all their instruments come through and they can scroll right and left and have complete control over everything in one window. My setup right now, consists of 5+ separate mixer windows which is very confusing and not great for workflow. Plus it discourages me (pardon my engineering weakness) to mix properly in VEP5 and I find myself touch faders within Cubase 7 or Pro Tools 10
    The reason I suspect that I'm not setting myself up right is that, VEP5 is supposed to be the place that I mix right? If I am running all of my samples through those faders, I would mix an instrument up or down on the VEP5 fader right so I'm controlling the output audio vs. within my cubase 7 mixer, in which case I am controlling MIDI CC 7, which is a no-no, from what i understand. Apparently, I want to set my volume once and never touch it right?

    Is it possible to jam all of my instances of play, i.e. 5 for woodwinds, 3 for brass, 3 for percussion etc. all into one instance of Vienna? The multiple windows are driving me nuts since it's so easy to resize them and it looks convoluted.

    If so, I need to adjust the settings to allow for more MIDI channels right? I just see all the screenshots of one beautiful window containing all the instruments laid out and organized under one roof... And mine is a cluster of difference sized windows etc. I would like to be able to have one window on my PC with everything through Vienna so I can mix within Vienna and one window on my MAC containing everything, but wouldn't that overload vienna? Can one instance really handle all that?

    I see the % bar get pretty high when I start loading more and more into it and If I'm thinking about this incorrectly, I don't want to waste time re configuring everything....

    Also, one last question... If I am sequencing all my MIDI in Cubase 7 and then I want to do some Audio Mixing and Processing within Pro Tools and also because I have to hand off my sessions to an engineer who works in Pro Tools...so, what I am wondering is...Has anyone found a way to route the Midi from Cubase directly to Pro Tools to print?

    I know many people have systems in which they write in logic or cubase and then print individual tracks directly into Pro Tools to be mixed. Can VEP5 work like this? Can i write a string part in Cubase, using Vienna to bring the sound in, then route it out, like perhaps through an Audio Input and then route it to Pro Tools? That would be ideal... And I'm not sure how the pro's do it...I guess maybe they have an individual input for every channel...

    But my friend believes that there is a way to do it through VEP5....If that could be accomplished, I could just print my midi to Pro Tools Audio and adjust for the delay and BAM, my session has been printed to Pro Tools, seeing as how handing off OMF files has proven to be difficult and doesn't not always retain the piece...

    I tried making it work, but if I connect Cubase to VEP5, the ability to also connect Pro Tools isn't there...

    Anyway, I hope I didn't upset anyone by posting this much, but I really wanted to be clear on what I am looking for...

    I would appreciate any help on the subject. Thanks,

    Chris
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    Chances are you do not really need that many instances. I have what is for me a pretty organized MO.

    If I run into very much horizontal scrolling, I'm liable to go to a new instance if I'm building a new metaframe. But all things being more or less equal in terms of resources usage, I will load instance 1 up pretty good.

    this brings me to divvying up vi frames/instances according to resources usage. I have patches of mine for Absynth in Kore2 that are the hoggiest things ever. So if I have this, I will isolate it in an instance of VEP. I set the 'threads per instance' individually rather than 'use server settings'. Similarly I believe that if I have a lot of effects, amp sims {NB: with a lot of automation parameters} etc in a certain area of the arrangement, I will isolate that in an instance of VEP; devoting more 'threads per' to these vs. a more straightforward area of the arrangement.

    I don't really know what you're talking about with two hosts doing midi; at the same time? People typically export audio qua audio, and people in music for picture do rely on OMF. I don't know why someone with Cubase would want to go back and forth with PT doing midi, however I do remixing and tweaks with quite a lot of the midi/vis still connected. I would kind of just recommend simplifying your thought some, you seem to be overwhelmed with conceptualizing abstractly at this point.

    Depending on what you're asking eg., Omnisphere to do in real time, you may want to consider that as possibly more CPU-intensive than an instance of an acoustic type inst in Kontakt, Play, VI and think of the threads per assignments.

    I like to have multiple MIDI ports whether I have maxed out 16 or not, ie., port 1 for melody, port 2 for percussion, port 3 for winds etc. I would run out of the single port = 16 ch in about every project I do so this the way I like that.
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    @christopher.doucet said:



    But my friend believes that there is a way to do it through VEP5...

    I tried making it work, but if I connect Cubase to VEP5, the ability to also connect Pro Tools isn't there...


    No, that isn't going to happen.
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    So I could theoretically be able to up the amount of MIDI channels in VEPro and jam everything into one neat and tight VEPro 5 instance? So I have everything in one window?